Well pressure issue

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  1. Chris1940

    Chris1940 New Member

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    Hoping somebody here can help me. I'm having issues with my well. I have no issues in the house, but if I run my hoses outside I get great water pressure for about 2 minutes then nothing comes out of the hose. At this point I have no water anywhere in the house or my outside faucets. I turn the hose off wait a little bit and I have water pressure again. Or if I just leave the hose on for a little bit I have it eventually start pumping water again for about 2 minutes then nothing again. Again no issues inside, just if I use the outside spigots
     
  2. Boycedrilling

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    You are tripping the thermal overloads in the Pump. When the Pump cools back down, the overloads reset and the pump runs until the overloads trip again, and again, and again.

    The solution? Probably going to need to replace the pump.
     
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  4. Chris1940

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  5. Reach4

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    I suspect you have a check valve between the pump and the pressure tank. The outside water outlets connect to the water line before the check valve. In your case, the check valve probably leaks a bit, which just adds a restriction when water tries to go from the pressure tank to an outside faucet.

    If you have a precharged pressure tank, the best solution is probably to remove the innards from the check valve so that it passes water both ways.
     
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    If there was a check valve between the outside faucet and the pressure tank, he would still have water pressure inside the house. So, no it’s not a check valve problem.

    I don’t need a picture. I don’t need to know what size Pump you have. You sufficiently described the problem for me to diagnose it. I do this for a living, not a hobby. You just got a $175 service call for free.
     
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    Is there a reason I don't have this issue in the house? And is there something else going on that could have led to this issue?
     
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    Yes there is something else going on that caused the issue. The pump has cycled on and off as many times as it is going to, and now it is tripping the overload. Eliminating the cycling is the only way to make it last longer. But once it has cycled enough to let all the smoke out of the motor there is no way to put it back in. Your house just isn't use enough water for long enough for you to notice the overload tripped before it resets itself like the outside hoses do.
     
  9. Reach4

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    By my guess/model, the house is on the same side of the check valve while the pressure is above cutoff. So the pressure tank supplies pressure. When the pressure in the house drops to the cut-on pressure, the pressure switch turns the pump on. The pump pushes the water through the check valve, to the pressure tank and house, with little resistance.

    While the pump is running, the outside has plenty of pressure.

    Does my model fit your observations?
     
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    No check valve before the pressure switch, all supply lines are after tank. When waters turned on, pressure switch clicks every couple seconds, gauge next to switch jumps to just a few psi and goes right back down to zero when this happens
     

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    OK. I think I must have misread/misinterpreted the symptoms.

    When you turn off the pump and drain the water (pressure is zero), what is the air pressure on the pressure tank?
    Does the tank sound empty when you rap on it? It should .
     
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    Turned pump off and drained system. Pressure tank reads 50psi, tank says 100 psi max
     
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    Put 80psi in tank. Comes out stronger, still quits after a few minutes
     
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    No the pressure switch and gauge are going crazy with no water demand. When the waters turned on it goes even faster
     
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    I think you are saying that with zero water pressure, the air pressure read 50 PSI. That is unusually high.

    When the cycling quits, what pressure does the water pressure gauge indicate?

    I am thinking you might want to drop the air precharge. Maybe 38 PSI, or even lower if cycling still continues.
     
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    Sounds like you have a waterlogged tank and a bad check valve in the well.
     
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    I put it down to 38. Still had pressure issue, but pressure switch quit clicking. Now, my wife just called me and said we have no water and toilets backed up with poop! What's going on?
     
  18. Reach4

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    Time to call a well professional. There are things worth borrowing for, and this is one of them. Borrowing for a new car is usually not one of them, but it may be too late for that decision.

    Do you mean there is no water to flush with, or something else?

    Had your septic tank pumped lately? Make that your highest priority if you need pumping. However pumping normally calls for you to run water.
     
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    Okay, I don't know what she's talking about, toilets are fine and flush, just no water
     
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    Good.

    If you are at all close to another house, most neighbors will let you run a string of garden hose between outdoors faucets. You will need a double female garden hose adapter to connect hoses.

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    Maybe use bottled water for drinking until you get your well working and you sanitize.

    If there was any concern about backflow toward the neighbor, you could make an adapter that included a spring-loaded check valve.
     
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