SleeperinSeattle
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Hi,
I'm curious about getting a whole house water filtration and softener system for our new to us house that is on a well.
It's our first time having a well and we don't know much about water filtration and softener systems- nor wells...
Here's some data about my water and system:
Existing pipe is 1 1/4 inch.
Here's what the well inspector said:
PH was 7,
Iron was 1MG/L,
Hardness was 4 GPG.
Raw Water Analysis said:
Iron: 1.97 Mg/l,
Manganese: 0.702 mg/l,
pH: 7.1,
Hardness: 5 GPG,
TDS: 146 mg/l,
Hydrogen Sulfide: 0.00 mg/l,
Ferrous Iron: .5
Ferric Iron: .5
Colloidal: 3PPM
And here' s the data from the well inspector about the well and equipment when we were doing the house inspection:
WELL TEST Results:
Source Description:
The source is a 6” drilled well that is to the right of the house behind the pump house.
The well stick up is about 6” above grade. A search of the department of ecology website was successful. According to the well log the well was drilled in 2000 to a completer depth of 150’ and has a static water level of 95’. There is a unique well tag on the well casing.
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Component Inventory & System Description
There is a 1 1/2-HP/230V/3WIRE/1PH submersible pump that is installed in the well on a pitless adapter, the well pump fills a 300-gallon storage tank.
There is a 1-HP/MultiStage Booster pump that pulls from the storage tank and fills a pressure tank. There is a 1 1/2-HP/230V/3WIRE control box with reset button.
There is a Water Worker 44-gallon pressure tank (Date code 2013), with companion pressure switch, pressure gauge, pressure relief and hose bib that are part of the pumping system.
Piping components are 1 1/4” PVC.
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Component Assessment:
Pump System: 1 1/2-HP/230V/1-PH/3-Wire submersible pump.
• Motor Windings Resistance: R-Y: 8.4-Ω, B-Y: 2.1 SATISFACTORY
• Motor Conductor Insulation Resistance: ≥5M-Ω - SATISFACTORY
• Start Capacitor- SATISFACTORY
• Booster Pump Windings- SATISFACTORY
• Well Cap– SATISFACTORY
• Pressure switch– SATISFACTORY 40/60-PSI.
• Zero Withdrawal Pump Cycle Time: :17 Seconds UNSATISFACTORY a
short pump cycle is hard on the pump, this happens because the tank is
under-sized.
• Pressure gauge- SATISFACTORY
• Pressure tank- UNSATISFACTORY pressure tank is under-sized and
waterlogged and should be replaced. When you put a tire gauge on the
Schrader valve air seeps out of the tank.
• Electrical conditions: SATISFACTORY
Environmental Conditions/Sanitary Conditions:
• The well is on the right side of the house behind the pressure tank, sanitary
conditions around the well are SATISFACTORY. Pressure tank and its
components are in the pump house and are in SATISFACTORY sanitary
condition.
• There were no leaks visible on the system and there was no rodent activity
present.
Peak Demand Test:
Water was withdrawn from the system at a rate of 10 GPM. The water clear and there was no hydrogen sulfide odor present.
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With that data, what would you recommend for a whole house filtration and softening system? I've been reading on here and I see most recommend going with a Fleck or Clack softener system.
So far, I've gotten three bids:
1.
Greensand Plus Filtration System--------------------------
1 ea.: NWT-1252-WS1-M-GSP Greensand plus filter system with the following features:
WS1 NSF rated high flow electronic meter initiated control valve, . includes 1” bypass valve.
Conditioner tank is NSF rated polyglass with a filter media capacity . of 2.0 cubic ft.
Electronic high flow metered control valve for efficient chlorine and . water usage, includes bypass valve.
Chemical Metering Pump------------------------------------------------
1 ea. Walchem EWN B11 VCURA metering pump and 15 gallon solution tank for injection of diluted chlorine (regular bleach/water solution).
Activated Carbon Filtration System-----------------------------------
1 ea.: NWT-1054-WS1-T-AC Activated carbon filter with the following features:
WS1 NSF rated high flow electronic timer initiated control valve, . . includes 1” bypass valve.
Conditioner tank is NSF rated polyglass with a filter media . . . capacity of 1.5 cubic ft.
Water Conditioning System
1 ea.: NWT-1054-WS1-M “Matrix” Water conditioning system for, hardness, iron, and manganese reduction, with the following features:
45,000 max grains Hardness removal capacity.
260# capacity brine tank (initial salt fill included).
Electronic high flow metered control valve for efficient salt . and water usage, includes bypass valve.
Total Installed Price (If Installed With Greensand System): $6490 plus tax
That's first one is the cheapest...
Then there's this one:
2.
FF7 Air 13 | Air Injection Metals System | 2 1 $2,312.00
FF3 Soft 12 | Ion Exchange System | 2 1 $2,289.00
MP1 Misc Plumbing- Pex/Brass 1 $1,250.00
ME1 Misc Electrical 1 $225.00
RL1 Service | Install Labor 5h @ 220.00per hour: $1,100.00
Total Installed Price: $7,176 Plus tax
And the most expensive one:
3.
Co-Ag Water system with backwashing fitler & 20ft/Mi2 $6795
Puretech Softner $1900
200lbs of salt included
Total Installed Price: $8695 Plus Tax
I had one other guy come out- but he still hasn't given me a bid in writing...
He said I should replace the pressure tank system and get a new controller system and basically start from scratch and it would be $10k- $16k
Like everyone, we want the best and healthiest water possible for a reasonable price.
I'm totally fine doing pex or pvc work- and could even learn to solder copper... Which ever is considered best...
We have four bathrooms and have 4 people (4yr old and a 1yr old) now and may have 6 people living with us in the near future (grandparents- as they are getting up there).
Please let me know your recommendations for what to buy and where to buy it from... I looked up the closest Fleck dealer and he's about 60 miles away and his website doesn't say he serves the Seattle area... And, I couldn't find a Clack dealer...
I'm sure I left a ton of needed info out- I tried to provided all I know...
Thank you!
SleeperinSeattle
I'm curious about getting a whole house water filtration and softener system for our new to us house that is on a well.
It's our first time having a well and we don't know much about water filtration and softener systems- nor wells...
Here's some data about my water and system:
Existing pipe is 1 1/4 inch.
Here's what the well inspector said:
PH was 7,
Iron was 1MG/L,
Hardness was 4 GPG.
Raw Water Analysis said:
Iron: 1.97 Mg/l,
Manganese: 0.702 mg/l,
pH: 7.1,
Hardness: 5 GPG,
TDS: 146 mg/l,
Hydrogen Sulfide: 0.00 mg/l,
Ferrous Iron: .5
Ferric Iron: .5
Colloidal: 3PPM
And here' s the data from the well inspector about the well and equipment when we were doing the house inspection:
WELL TEST Results:
Source Description:
The source is a 6” drilled well that is to the right of the house behind the pump house.
The well stick up is about 6” above grade. A search of the department of ecology website was successful. According to the well log the well was drilled in 2000 to a completer depth of 150’ and has a static water level of 95’. There is a unique well tag on the well casing.
----------
Component Inventory & System Description
There is a 1 1/2-HP/230V/3WIRE/1PH submersible pump that is installed in the well on a pitless adapter, the well pump fills a 300-gallon storage tank.
There is a 1-HP/MultiStage Booster pump that pulls from the storage tank and fills a pressure tank. There is a 1 1/2-HP/230V/3WIRE control box with reset button.
There is a Water Worker 44-gallon pressure tank (Date code 2013), with companion pressure switch, pressure gauge, pressure relief and hose bib that are part of the pumping system.
Piping components are 1 1/4” PVC.
-----------
Component Assessment:
Pump System: 1 1/2-HP/230V/1-PH/3-Wire submersible pump.
• Motor Windings Resistance: R-Y: 8.4-Ω, B-Y: 2.1 SATISFACTORY
• Motor Conductor Insulation Resistance: ≥5M-Ω - SATISFACTORY
• Start Capacitor- SATISFACTORY
• Booster Pump Windings- SATISFACTORY
• Well Cap– SATISFACTORY
• Pressure switch– SATISFACTORY 40/60-PSI.
• Zero Withdrawal Pump Cycle Time: :17 Seconds UNSATISFACTORY a
short pump cycle is hard on the pump, this happens because the tank is
under-sized.
• Pressure gauge- SATISFACTORY
• Pressure tank- UNSATISFACTORY pressure tank is under-sized and
waterlogged and should be replaced. When you put a tire gauge on the
Schrader valve air seeps out of the tank.
• Electrical conditions: SATISFACTORY
Environmental Conditions/Sanitary Conditions:
• The well is on the right side of the house behind the pressure tank, sanitary
conditions around the well are SATISFACTORY. Pressure tank and its
components are in the pump house and are in SATISFACTORY sanitary
condition.
• There were no leaks visible on the system and there was no rodent activity
present.
Peak Demand Test:
Water was withdrawn from the system at a rate of 10 GPM. The water clear and there was no hydrogen sulfide odor present.
----------------------------
With that data, what would you recommend for a whole house filtration and softening system? I've been reading on here and I see most recommend going with a Fleck or Clack softener system.
So far, I've gotten three bids:
1.
Greensand Plus Filtration System--------------------------
1 ea.: NWT-1252-WS1-M-GSP Greensand plus filter system with the following features:
WS1 NSF rated high flow electronic meter initiated control valve, . includes 1” bypass valve.
Conditioner tank is NSF rated polyglass with a filter media capacity . of 2.0 cubic ft.
Electronic high flow metered control valve for efficient chlorine and . water usage, includes bypass valve.
Chemical Metering Pump------------------------------------------------
1 ea. Walchem EWN B11 VCURA metering pump and 15 gallon solution tank for injection of diluted chlorine (regular bleach/water solution).
Activated Carbon Filtration System-----------------------------------
1 ea.: NWT-1054-WS1-T-AC Activated carbon filter with the following features:
WS1 NSF rated high flow electronic timer initiated control valve, . . includes 1” bypass valve.
Conditioner tank is NSF rated polyglass with a filter media . . . capacity of 1.5 cubic ft.
Water Conditioning System
1 ea.: NWT-1054-WS1-M “Matrix” Water conditioning system for, hardness, iron, and manganese reduction, with the following features:
45,000 max grains Hardness removal capacity.
260# capacity brine tank (initial salt fill included).
Electronic high flow metered control valve for efficient salt . and water usage, includes bypass valve.
Total Installed Price (If Installed With Greensand System): $6490 plus tax
That's first one is the cheapest...
Then there's this one:
2.
FF7 Air 13 | Air Injection Metals System | 2 1 $2,312.00
FF3 Soft 12 | Ion Exchange System | 2 1 $2,289.00
MP1 Misc Plumbing- Pex/Brass 1 $1,250.00
ME1 Misc Electrical 1 $225.00
RL1 Service | Install Labor 5h @ 220.00per hour: $1,100.00
Total Installed Price: $7,176 Plus tax
And the most expensive one:
3.
Co-Ag Water system with backwashing fitler & 20ft/Mi2 $6795
Puretech Softner $1900
200lbs of salt included
Total Installed Price: $8695 Plus Tax
I had one other guy come out- but he still hasn't given me a bid in writing...
He said I should replace the pressure tank system and get a new controller system and basically start from scratch and it would be $10k- $16k
Like everyone, we want the best and healthiest water possible for a reasonable price.
I'm totally fine doing pex or pvc work- and could even learn to solder copper... Which ever is considered best...
We have four bathrooms and have 4 people (4yr old and a 1yr old) now and may have 6 people living with us in the near future (grandparents- as they are getting up there).
Please let me know your recommendations for what to buy and where to buy it from... I looked up the closest Fleck dealer and he's about 60 miles away and his website doesn't say he serves the Seattle area... And, I couldn't find a Clack dealer...
I'm sure I left a ton of needed info out- I tried to provided all I know...
Thank you!
SleeperinSeattle