Radiant floor pipe repair verification please - am I being swindled?

[Gillianne]

ARIZONA A bathroom remodel guy in moving a toilet and a tub cut through 5 loops of radiant floor heating. I'm attaching pictures of what this same guy did to repair the pipes: steel crimps and elbows wrapped in different kinds of plastic buried in sand under a thin concrete slab. This after I had a specialist come for a consultation who expressly said not to use crimps but compression fittings instead, those designed for under or over concrete. My guy agreed to this when I relayed the info to him (he had wanted to use crimps), telling me he would fix it for a lot less; now he is telling me the crimp system is perfectly good and legitimate radiant pipe repair work plus he wrapped the joints and nothing will leak or corrode or break, the crimps are guaranteed for life. He said the sharp elbow turns are not a problem because the psi through the pipes will be very low and only a water hammer could bust through, which would not happen in a system like that. He challenged me to show this to any plumber. One issue is that he defied the information I relayed without discussing with me further. The other is whether he is correct. Help! Is this truly acceptable or do I have all this dug up and redone properly? Also would this be to code in Arizona? THANK YOU.

 

[Jonny V]

ARIZONA A bathroom remodel guy in moving a toilet and a tub cut through 5 loops of radiant floor heating. I'm attaching pictures of what this same guy did to repair the pipes: steel crimps and elbows wrapped in different kinds of plastic buried in sand under a thin concrete slab. This after I had a specialist come for a consultation who expressly said not to use crimps but compression fittings instead, those designed for under or over concrete. My guy agreed to this when I relayed the info to him (he had wanted to use crimps), telling me he would fix it for a lot less; now he is telling me the crimp system is perfectly good and legitimate radiant pipe repair work plus he wrapped the joints and nothing will leak or corrode or break, the crimps are guaranteed for life. He said the sharp elbow turns are not a problem because the psi through the pipes will be very low and only a water hammer could bust through, which would not happen in a system like that. He challenged me to show this to any plumber. One issue is that he defied the information I relayed without discussing with me further. The other is whether he is correct. Help! Is this truly acceptable or do I have all this dug up and redone properly? Also would this be to code in Arizona? THANK YOU.

Full disclosure I'm not a plumber. But why would he use 3 elbow to connect those 2 pipes. Why not just use 2 couplings and a new piece of pipe?

If the crimp are those ones with the little tab that gets squeezed together idk if I would trust that under concrete slab.

 

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[Plumber69]

ARIZONA A bathroom remodel guy in moving a toilet and a tub cut through 5 loops of radiant floor heating. I'm attaching pictures of what this same guy did to repair the pipes: steel crimps and elbows wrapped in different kinds of plastic buried in sand under a thin concrete slab. This after I had a specialist come for a consultation who expressly said not to use crimps but compression fittings instead, those designed for under or over concrete. My guy agreed to this when I relayed the info to him (he had wanted to use crimps), telling me he would fix it for a lot less; now he is telling me the crimp system is perfectly good and legitimate radiant pipe repair work plus he wrapped the joints and nothing will leak or corrode or break, the crimps are guaranteed for life. He said the sharp elbow turns are not a problem because the psi through the pipes will be very low and only a water hammer could bust through, which would not happen in a system like that. He challenged me to show this to any plumber. One issue is that he defied the information I relayed without discussing with me further. The other is whether he is correct. Help! Is this truly acceptable or do I have all this dug up and redone properly? Also would this be to code in Arizona? THANK YOU.

Yeah why the 90s, Im wondering if your going get air locks there

 

[Plumber69]

I would of fired him on the spot, should of got a plumber

 

[Gillianne]

I would of fired him on the spot, should of got a plumber

Yes, he said he had a plumber on the job with him but I fear this is a lie.

 

[Gillianne]

Full disclosure I'm not a plumber. But why would he use 3 elbow to connect those 2 pipes. Why not just use 2 couplings and a new piece of pipe?

If the crimp are those ones with the little tab that gets squeezed together idk if I would trust that under concrete slab.

I think he didn't want to move the drain pipe and the drain pipe is set at an angle so higher as you approach the base. If you notice, the first loop is a straight line. Thank you for answering. I'm getting a copy of the Arizona Code Book to see what codes describe fittings under concrete. I need something legal now to break my contract with him.

 

[Plumber69]

Id be more concerned with air locks, air lock and it wont work.

 

[Plumber69]

Id keep this here, but (post) there is a guy in boiler section that helped me. He seems to know a lot. He even pm me to guide me thru a bit.

 

[Plumber69]

Yes, he said he had a plumber on the job with him but I fear this is a lie.

A plumber would of questioned/looked if there was in floor heating, or you would of told him