Matt Forman
New Member
Hi all,
I currently have a 15 year old AS 1.6 GPF low consumption toilet (unsure of the model) that is driving me nuts and I'm looking to replace. Basically it clogs often, and the flush cycle takes 15 seconds just to clear the bowl - so I'm looking for something with a more reliable, faster flush, and while I know I'll need to spend some, I'm trying not to spend a small fortune, especially since I'll pay for install as well. I'm not a good DIY, and would rather have someone come in and do it right. But I don't mind paying a bit more for quality or if I know I'm getting a better product.
I've been looking primarily at Home Depot's site, and am looking at a few options. With size constraints in the bathroom, I'm looking for a round toilet, standard height (I'm about 5'5", Wife is 5'1", so the "comfort height" models are sometimes a touch high. I'm leaning towards something with a 3 inch flush valve, as I'll subscribe to the bigger is better theory, and an MaP of 500 or more sounds like it should be plenty sufficient. I'm also looking for the Water Sense seal.
In looking at the options on HD's site, I've come across a number of options, and cannot figure out which is best... Most everything below meets or exceeds my specs from above.
Kohler Wellworth Classic Complete Solution - $150 - K-11464-0 - A complete set (includes seat and hardware), and the least expensive, but may need to purchase connectors (based on HD's site). - Class Five Flush
Kohler Wellworth 2 piece, 1.28 Round - $175 - K-3997-0 - A little more expensive than the Complete Solution, and does not include the seat. It does include the bolts. Unsure about the Wax Ring. Class 5 flush. 3.25" Flush Valve
Kohler Cimarron with Aqua Piston Flush - $199 - K-3887-0 - Most expensive Kohler. Does not include Seat or Hardware. And at comfort height, it might be a little too tall (need to measure my wife from the knee down to be sure her legs won't dangle).
Toto Entrada - $177 - CST243EF - Height could be an issue, and not labeled as water sense, but it is a 1.28 GPF with 1000 MaP. Seat and hardware not included. But - it is a Toto, which I know is one of the top Toilet Brands. HD's site claims a valve size of 12, which I know can't be right. I'm assuming it is 3, like the other Toto models below. It also claims a width of less than 15, which is much narrower than all the other models - I'm assuming HD made some data entry errors on this one, and its measurements are closer to that of the Drake.
Toto Drake 1.6GPF 2 Piece - $208 - CST743S01 - It is a Drake, which I know is a highly respected model. No MaP rating provided, and not Water Sense (but it is the same as the AS I'm looking to replace). Seat/Hardware not included
Toto Drake 1.28 GPF Eco - $237 - CST743E#01 - Like the Entrada, not labeled as Water Sense, but is 1.28 with 1000 MaP. Seat and hardware not included, but, as noted, it is a Toto....
I'm kind of leaning towards either the Wellworth Complete Solution (Least expensive and all hardware included), the Entrada, or the Drake 1.6... for basic use (as it is just the two of us) - are they all decent? and are there any benefits of going with one brand/model over the other? I believe both brands are fairly well respected and put out good product.
Any general thoughts (or experience with the above models) would be appreciated...
Thanks in advance!
I currently have a 15 year old AS 1.6 GPF low consumption toilet (unsure of the model) that is driving me nuts and I'm looking to replace. Basically it clogs often, and the flush cycle takes 15 seconds just to clear the bowl - so I'm looking for something with a more reliable, faster flush, and while I know I'll need to spend some, I'm trying not to spend a small fortune, especially since I'll pay for install as well. I'm not a good DIY, and would rather have someone come in and do it right. But I don't mind paying a bit more for quality or if I know I'm getting a better product.
I've been looking primarily at Home Depot's site, and am looking at a few options. With size constraints in the bathroom, I'm looking for a round toilet, standard height (I'm about 5'5", Wife is 5'1", so the "comfort height" models are sometimes a touch high. I'm leaning towards something with a 3 inch flush valve, as I'll subscribe to the bigger is better theory, and an MaP of 500 or more sounds like it should be plenty sufficient. I'm also looking for the Water Sense seal.
In looking at the options on HD's site, I've come across a number of options, and cannot figure out which is best... Most everything below meets or exceeds my specs from above.
Kohler Wellworth Classic Complete Solution - $150 - K-11464-0 - A complete set (includes seat and hardware), and the least expensive, but may need to purchase connectors (based on HD's site). - Class Five Flush
Kohler Wellworth 2 piece, 1.28 Round - $175 - K-3997-0 - A little more expensive than the Complete Solution, and does not include the seat. It does include the bolts. Unsure about the Wax Ring. Class 5 flush. 3.25" Flush Valve
Kohler Cimarron with Aqua Piston Flush - $199 - K-3887-0 - Most expensive Kohler. Does not include Seat or Hardware. And at comfort height, it might be a little too tall (need to measure my wife from the knee down to be sure her legs won't dangle).
Toto Entrada - $177 - CST243EF - Height could be an issue, and not labeled as water sense, but it is a 1.28 GPF with 1000 MaP. Seat and hardware not included. But - it is a Toto, which I know is one of the top Toilet Brands. HD's site claims a valve size of 12, which I know can't be right. I'm assuming it is 3, like the other Toto models below. It also claims a width of less than 15, which is much narrower than all the other models - I'm assuming HD made some data entry errors on this one, and its measurements are closer to that of the Drake.
Toto Drake 1.6GPF 2 Piece - $208 - CST743S01 - It is a Drake, which I know is a highly respected model. No MaP rating provided, and not Water Sense (but it is the same as the AS I'm looking to replace). Seat/Hardware not included
Toto Drake 1.28 GPF Eco - $237 - CST743E#01 - Like the Entrada, not labeled as Water Sense, but is 1.28 with 1000 MaP. Seat and hardware not included, but, as noted, it is a Toto....
I'm kind of leaning towards either the Wellworth Complete Solution (Least expensive and all hardware included), the Entrada, or the Drake 1.6... for basic use (as it is just the two of us) - are they all decent? and are there any benefits of going with one brand/model over the other? I believe both brands are fairly well respected and put out good product.
Any general thoughts (or experience with the above models) would be appreciated...
Thanks in advance!