Kohler vs. Toto
I visited a Toto dealer. Great showroom. It isn't that I dislike all the Toto's, just wasn't thrilled with the appearance of what the fellow was showing me. Most likely this was because I mentioned that I have exactly 11 inches rough in (wall to center of the bolts), The dealer suggested some skirted models with adapters that were made in various lengths for 3 models- the Gwenaviere, the Soire and one other single piece toilet that I can't remember the name of. Each had the latest features including Saniglaze and a swirling flush system. I think it looks like it would rinse the bowl as well as any other toilet, as this was one of my concerns. Any thoughts?
I might be able to use a 12 inch rough in but it will be tight, as Toto allows only 3/4 inch clearance inside the 12 inch spec, and I might just fit it snug against the wall, but it could be a problem by only 1/4 inch.
The models with different rough in adapters didn't impress me because they had a right angle connection from where the toilet connected to the pvc adapter and it looked like it might act as a restriction. I thought restrictions were something Toto was trying to minimize by the saniglaze. Doesn't the right angle pvc adapter for 10 inch and 14 inch rough ins defeat all the rest of the Toto engineering? I have a hard time understanding why this wouldn't cause problems. I have also read reports of dripping noises in these models. Any ideas on these issues?
I wasn't too impressed with the plastic seats on the Toto's. Do most people think it is good?
The Kohler called for a 1 inch space behind on a 12 inch rough in, so I thought it might fit my space better. I also liked the styling better on the Kohler, but everyone on here strongly recommends the Toto's and I don't hear much enthusiasm for the Kohler products. Are any of the Kohlers worth considering?