Calvin344
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Hi, New member here. I have searched the site to see if my ? has already been adressed but only found 1 post about "black stuff' and it didn't seem to be related.
Here is my situation. Residential plumbing in a home with 3&1/2 baths-two story-42 years old. For appx. 3 years now I have had "black stuff" come out of the upstairs shower hot water side and in just the one shower. I have sought the advice of the water company who have had reps come out & checked their end including the o-ring where my line connects to the meter. They say it is not in their water. This debris comes out for a few seconds and has an oily look to it. It is greasy as it clings to the tub. It kind of spiderwebs in the water and looks like distorted snowflakes. I provided a sample to the water co. and they refused it. I actually think it is something in my house. This seems to occur with almost monthly regularity. Knowing what chlorine does to black rubber-
I have changed everything rubber in the entire house right down to the gasket between tank & commodes. Yes- Faucets everything. Water heater was drained & then I just bought a new one as I thought maybe impurities were clinging to the anode rod. ( I have talked to plumbers & had plumbers out but no one has told me they can actually fix it short of re-plumbing the entire house.) It still persists.
So finally an older plumber told me my house may have an expansion chamber built in it as that is the way homes were done when it was built. What ever reason or how it was built, this was the most logical explanation I had heard to date. He also told me there is no way to get the stagnant water out as there needs to be an air inlet to allow this water out of the expansion section. You MP's know about all this I am sure. He explained how pipes "bang" and this expansion had air in it and created a buffer to keep the pipes quiet. He said- In the highest point of my house and at the end of the run is where the expansion pipe or what ever would be located. He said over time the air seeps past the water or vice versa and the expansion becomes filled with water which stagnates and finally lets loose when there is too much in the pipe. creating the "black stuff" which is stagnant water. It sounds good, he recommended a "minirestor" TM device I guess. I went to Lowe's and looked at them, talked with the sales person and looked them up on line but I don't know if that is the fix.
Finally- I will get to my specific questions. (sorry for the length) (1) The mini restor sounds to me like it is a fix for a single sink, or toilet, or washing machine- not a "fix all" for the entire house. (2) Do I have to go upstairs and start cutting holes in the walls to find this expansion chamber? Is there any way to know with some certianty where it is? Is there actually one there? (I don't want to tear the house apart for no reason) (3) If I do find it how do I fix it? Shut the water off, cut out the section and let it drain then replace it patching the hole in the wall behind me? (4) Is it worth trying to- Shut the water off to the residence, open all the faucets, drain and open the water heater so that everything drains out? Won't the water in fact drain out or will there be enough suction in the expansion chamber to hold the stagnant water in as the plumber told me? (5) And- If the expansion chamber is full- why don't the pipes bang as it must be rendered useless with the water backed up in it?
Sorry for the length of this post but I wanted to include as much info as I could. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You and all of you MP's for this forum. Cal
Here is my situation. Residential plumbing in a home with 3&1/2 baths-two story-42 years old. For appx. 3 years now I have had "black stuff" come out of the upstairs shower hot water side and in just the one shower. I have sought the advice of the water company who have had reps come out & checked their end including the o-ring where my line connects to the meter. They say it is not in their water. This debris comes out for a few seconds and has an oily look to it. It is greasy as it clings to the tub. It kind of spiderwebs in the water and looks like distorted snowflakes. I provided a sample to the water co. and they refused it. I actually think it is something in my house. This seems to occur with almost monthly regularity. Knowing what chlorine does to black rubber-
I have changed everything rubber in the entire house right down to the gasket between tank & commodes. Yes- Faucets everything. Water heater was drained & then I just bought a new one as I thought maybe impurities were clinging to the anode rod. ( I have talked to plumbers & had plumbers out but no one has told me they can actually fix it short of re-plumbing the entire house.) It still persists.
So finally an older plumber told me my house may have an expansion chamber built in it as that is the way homes were done when it was built. What ever reason or how it was built, this was the most logical explanation I had heard to date. He also told me there is no way to get the stagnant water out as there needs to be an air inlet to allow this water out of the expansion section. You MP's know about all this I am sure. He explained how pipes "bang" and this expansion had air in it and created a buffer to keep the pipes quiet. He said- In the highest point of my house and at the end of the run is where the expansion pipe or what ever would be located. He said over time the air seeps past the water or vice versa and the expansion becomes filled with water which stagnates and finally lets loose when there is too much in the pipe. creating the "black stuff" which is stagnant water. It sounds good, he recommended a "minirestor" TM device I guess. I went to Lowe's and looked at them, talked with the sales person and looked them up on line but I don't know if that is the fix.
Finally- I will get to my specific questions. (sorry for the length) (1) The mini restor sounds to me like it is a fix for a single sink, or toilet, or washing machine- not a "fix all" for the entire house. (2) Do I have to go upstairs and start cutting holes in the walls to find this expansion chamber? Is there any way to know with some certianty where it is? Is there actually one there? (I don't want to tear the house apart for no reason) (3) If I do find it how do I fix it? Shut the water off, cut out the section and let it drain then replace it patching the hole in the wall behind me? (4) Is it worth trying to- Shut the water off to the residence, open all the faucets, drain and open the water heater so that everything drains out? Won't the water in fact drain out or will there be enough suction in the expansion chamber to hold the stagnant water in as the plumber told me? (5) And- If the expansion chamber is full- why don't the pipes bang as it must be rendered useless with the water backed up in it?
Sorry for the length of this post but I wanted to include as much info as I could. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You and all of you MP's for this forum. Cal
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