Hot water to remodeled bathroom

Discussion in 'Tankless Water Heater Forum' started by krob8000, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. krob8000

    krob8000 New Member

    Jan 15, 2010
    Within the past 6 months or so I purchased a new 50 gal LP tank water heater to replace one that was leaking. I am in the process of designing a remodel of my master bath and my current heater is insufficiently sized to handle the load (bad planning on my part). I intend on having a shower with a 2.5 gal/min shower head and 4 body sprays (1.6gal/min each) for 8.9gal/min. Additionally, I will have a 87 gallon air tub. There are 2 1/2 other baths in the house and frequently two showers running at once. The house is a little over 4000 sqft.

    What I am wondering is can I use a tankless water heater as a preheater for the tank heater? If so, that should ensure that I always have hot water and should take care of all my problems regarding insufficient quantity, unless I am missing something.

    Thanks for your help.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2010
  2. Dana

    Dana In the trades

    Jan 14, 2009
    Setting it up as a pre-heater to the tank would cause it to short-cycle on every draw losing efficinecy, even though the hot water tank could have handled the load without a burner firing. But as a post-heater, as long as the output of of the tankless is set several degrees lower than the setpoint of the tank it'll only fire when the output of the the tank drops below what the tankless is set for.

    But even this can be problematic. Tankless heat exhchangers are fairly high-head, and you may run out of flow capacity due to the pressure drop before you run out of burner if you're trying to run the whole house through it. A big 'un could handle the 9gpm, but if 3 other taps are open the pressure drop could take it down to a dribble.

    A drainwater heat recovery unit (if it can be plumbed in, which isn't always the case) can roughly double the apparent capacity on your showers (and save on the fuel bill), but does nothing for your tub-filling problem. It may make more sense to set up a tankless as a dedicated tub-filler + high-flow shower, where it'll never short-cycle (all draws will be relatively high volume), for maxiumum efficiency, where the quirks of a tankless (cold-water sandwich, etc) are less problematic. A 199KBTU/H may still need a drainwater heat recovery boost to get you the full shower flow. But it could also be set up as a post-heater to the tank on that branch, but using a mixing-valve between the tank and the tankless to deliver ~80F water to inlet of the tankless (so as not to deplete the tank so it can serve the other water-use zones), yet have sufficient burner to reliably deliver full flow to the shower.

    It's all kinda klugdy though... If you have a forced hot water heating system with a 250kbtu/hr + sized boiler you might consider installing a indirect fired HW heater instead (or in-addition.)
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