Expansion Tank - needed or not????

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I've seen expansion tanks installed with boilers but never hot water heaters.

There is already a pressure release valve on the hot water heater. Is there an advantage to adding an expansion tank to a hot water heater? Just curious.
 

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Yes.

One thing is that the 150 psi temperature and pressure release was designed to release water in an abnormal condition. Your fixtures are not designed to deal with 150 psi routinely.

Classically no expansion tank was needed with city water, because the water could expand back into the mains. Cities are in the process of adding check valves at the water meter.

If you have a well, then your pressure tank serves to accept the expansion.

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Thanks for replying - Just checking that my understanding is correct - when cities/towns as add check valves at the water meter, the check valves will not allow expansion back to the mains so an expansion tank is recommended as a way to absorb excess pressure. Correct?
 

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Thanks for replying - Just checking that my understanding is correct - when cities/towns as add check valves at the water meter, the check valves will not allow expansion back to the mains so an expansion tank is recommended as a way to absorb excess pressure. Correct?
Yes.

The air precharge should be set to the maximum water pressure from the city, or a little above. The correct size to handle the expansion is determined from how big the WH is, and how much temperature rise the WH must deal with.
 

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Just checking that my understanding is correct - when cities/towns add check valves at the water meter, the check valves will not allow expansion back to the mains so an expansion tank is recommended as a way to absorb excess pressure. Correct?

Correct, as long as it is understood that the "excess pressure" being absorbed by the expansion tank is from the water molecules expanding due to being heated by the water heater. The expansion tank isn't designed to manage any pressure fluctuations in the city supply. If pressure fluctuations from the city supply range higher than 75-80 psi, then a pressure regulating valve would be needed.

The expansion tank, on the other hand, can contribute to a longer water heater tank service life, since the flexible air bladder in the expansion tank is the path of least resistance for the expanded water to act upon. Otherwise, if the water system truly is a closed system with a check valve present, the incremental pressure increase from heated water has to be absorbed by the glass lined tank itself... not a good thing. In fact, any cyclic expansion contraction cycles in the plumbing can fatigue metal, wear out elastomeric washers in flexible lines with threaded connections, crack glass linings, and put poorly sweated connections to the test.

In many, if not the majority of jurisdictions, the expansion tank is now a code requirement. But even if not required, it is certainly a good idea, even if the city water system hasn't installed check valves... because if they haven't yet, they might still, and they won't ask your permission, and may not even warn you when they do.
 

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Yes.

One thing is that the 150 psi temperature and pressure release was designed to release water in an abnormal condition. Your fixtures are not designed to deal with 150 psi routinely.

Classically no expansion tank was needed with city water, because the water could expand back into the mains. Cities are in the process of adding check valves at the water meter.

If you have a well, then your pressure tank serves to accept the expansion.

Thanks for this clarification!
 
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