Driving licenses for immigrants

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  1. Cookie

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    I say, make more room in our country Johnny one note. ;)
     
  2. Cookie

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    If you read the article they can't shoot tranquilzers at night, they run and hide. Do you want to be their breakfast when you go outside to get your paper? You could throw stones at them. But, you better be good... you got one chance at taking them out. It is not a good thing to p-off something with bigger teeth than yours, lol.

     
  3. Cookie

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    We *could* send them to England, right? :) Could the queen put them up for a night or year?

    Have you not heard of SSD? SSI and, unemployment, and even welfare? Their are so many places to be retrained for free or on scale. If anyone is too old to be retrained, where are their families, kids? And, even then, they can receive state benefits.

    What do you expect things to be Ian? When, I was younger my mom used to kid me, because I would drive her crazy telling her stuff like, " when I am older I am going to make a place where everyone who is poor, has no place to live, old or kids, stray animals can come live adding, everyone would have a small chore and it would all work." Little did I know, I was describing a commune, lol, but, people do care Ian, no matter what you think, and people try as hard as they can. Sometimes, Ian, families has to help others, their parents, relatives, until, they can stand on their own 2 feet. Or friends, or even, neighbors. Then, comes a time, when you try to do it yourself. The govn, cannot provide ambition, incentives, desire, that comes from within. Look inside yourself, and if you give of yourself, it comes so much easier.

     
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    Now, this is a ahhhh... moment.
    He was just trying to get weighed, and have a carrot or 2.

    BUT, could had been a very different outcome if Mama Bear was behind him. She probably would had attacked.

    http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog...n+produce+bin+of+crowded+grocery+store+video/

    Now, compare it to this Mama protecting her baby daughter: would you do this to protect your baby?

    Just for the facts, a Mama bear would probably rip your eyes out, and if she, the Mama Bear, had a gun would shoot you.
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    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/19/2461154/clerk-kills-would-be-robber-who.html

    Now, be honest Ian, how and what would you had done if that was you and your baby girl?

    1. Talk to him, talk him out of it. ( I tried this once, long long ago, and will tell you now, it doesn't work) your chances are slim to none.

    2. Go after him and grab him while he has your baby girl not knowing what he has on him.

    3. Shoot him to have the best chance of saving your baby girl's life.

    I will admit, not much options, and a hard decision. But, you went to work, did nothing wrong, and that is your baby girl. What do you do?

    Remember, he already made his decision.

    Did this woman, this mother do right or wrong?
     
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    Actually, I am OK with that, as I am not rich myself, and if I were rich, I'd be willing to pay more too, especially a flat rate tax.
     
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    I accept all donations like Tom. :) Send to me. lol.

    Bob, you got to remember though, if you unjustly tax the rich, only because they are rich and can afford it, you are literally, taking away the American Dream.

    Whatever tax is imposed, it has to be fair to everyone, not just because you are rich, you pay more; or poor, you pay less. That is socialism.

    Some people do not believe the American Dream ever existed or, it is gone. When you wake up, and not jailed for something you said, you wrote, you did; compare, it to waking up in a country, where your world is a living nightmare. You can't accept the Pulitzer or a Nobel, that is living without any dream.

    If you start to make it a one-size fit all govn, you gained nothing and you lost it all.
     
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    I was not meaning to give you a hard time there. Please forgive!

    Personally, I would say it might be logical and prudent for the employers of illegal immigrants to be jailed and their assets sold to purchase return tickets. Or, maybe all government-owned land could be opened up to the illegals just like it was for our own invading ancestors a few centuries ago.

    Note: The guy who conceived and carved Mount Rushmore was a member of the KKK, and the nearby carving of Crazy Horse done by a guy who had been fired by that guy is far more impressive anyway!
     
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    Give them land. What land? Then support everyone? and, all future generations. Raise more taxes? It is interesting to read, that we can't even hike and accidently, walk over into another's country without being arrested for years and years, and all be called a spy. Yet, you want to give them land.

    I got to get a drink. A coffee.

    ...and, by the way, those hikers, they or their families or the US, paid tons of money to get them back, not a plane fare.

    Ian wants to change our country to socialism, if that is the case, then, we must change it all, close all the borders. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
     
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    Do you realize we could not possibly jail them all? The Inns are full. Maybe, England could imprison them, and pay. Look at the size of that palace! Lots of rooms which could be put to good use. 600 hundred rooms!


     
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    This is it Ian? This is all you can say what is wrong or bad with your own country, England, and, amazingly, you can cite lots & lots & lots for my country, the USA... Do you have the freedom to say what you want about your own homeland?

    And, remember your #8 does not apply, because you got your information wrong about the US on that one. I explained that well, in another post to you. So, you only have 7 things.

    Actually, #4 is thrown out as well, because my city & and I am sure, my city is not the only one, we already have speed cameras. So, you got 6 things.

    Continue on. Actually, all of yours is mimicking all of the US. The weather, the college expense, the prescription costs, the dentist coverage; those do not apply. So you got 2, you don't like your bars closing early, and you don't like the farmers having a gun being able to protect their livestock & livelyhood.

    You got 2. Only 2. I asked for "20", since, you are fully, ready, willing and able to cite so much more about the US. I believe in being fair. Do you?

     
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    Ian, some interesting articles re Britain (I am going to stop calling it Great Britain because it is not) in yesterday's and todays Wall Street Journal. Yesterday a discussion on how Britain's 20% sales tax and other share the wealth philosophies are resulting in 6% inflation and frozen incomes. Today, how Rolls Royce struggles to find skilled workers even though it pays very premium wages.

    The solution, Ian, is to have people stop whining, take responsibility for their own lives, get educated, and get a job. The unemployment rate for college graduates is 6%. This country's community college and university system is second to none and can give anyone skills to advance if properly used. But it cannot give ambition-we are on our own for that. Further evidence of our failed social/entitlement policies is shown by the fact that nearly 70% of blacks are being born into single parent households and the appalling rate at which these offspring, due to lack of adequate role models, commit crimes and are being imprisoned.

    I continue to wait for your views on what to do with Greece, Italy and the other countries which have failed because of social and economic policies similar to those promoted by yourself.
     
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    Their debts are much smaller than yours.

    This crisis was not caused by their excess. It was caused by crumbling tax revenues and tighter credit on the back of a housing crash that started in the US and spread to the rest of the world.

    The cause, therefore, was lack of regulation. Not too much of it.

    The solution is to raise taxes on those that can afford it and for countries to cooperate. That means bailouts. It means another bailout for America too. This time, to help the States' budgets.

    It should also mean we get rid of the pesky States and have Washington control because that would be cheaper and more efficient. All Americans have very similar preferences anyway, so the notion of States is just a romantic throwback to a past that no longer exists.

    If Europe falls to this crisis, America will soon follow.

    Apples and oranges. We have a high sales tax, you have MASSIVE property taxes in some States even on cars! There really is no difference. But the Cold War made you think there is. You were tricked.

    Now I agree. But the smart thing to do would be to have taxpayers pay. That way there is an incentive to go to college and taxpayers actually make a return when those educated get good jobs and pay more in higher taxes later on in life. Common sense which seems to have been lost on America.

    And Cookie, I am not a socialist. Welfare capitalism makes a lot of sense though. Dog eat dog is not working. We need to help each other. And God and charity are not up to the task. We need Government. Big Government.
     
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    Big gov equals, big problems...:) where's the list?
     
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    I am re-reading an excellent book on an early example of British "welfare capitalism." It is called Empire of the Bay, and I think the author is Peter Newman. It is about the history of the Hudson's Bay Company. In the late 1600's, Britain transferred sole control and an exclusive monopoly on all land which drains into Hudson Bay to the Hudson Bay Company. This covers a region from The Rocky Mountains in the West to Labrador in the East. This monopoly carried with it the responsibility for providing for the native population. Instead of utilizing genocide as we did here in the United States, it was to the economic avantage of the Hudson Bay Compay to utilize the natives as trappers, hence the slaughter that went on in our West was to a considerable extent avoided.

    There is no doubt that Canada's natives suffered abuse, but much of this came from the Oblates and Anglicans who had the same camoflauged penchant for inflicting pain that many religious people have.

    The point is that "welfare capitalism" connotes a contribution from all towards society, and as I see it you propose rewarding all while only some contribute.

    And Greece's "crumbling" tax revenues is not caused by us but by it's citizen's flagrant avoidance of paying taxes and its insistence on receiving government pensions. Again, this is a character issue and they are on their own for that.

    Many of the remote trading posts opened by the Hudson Bay Company remain in operation today, now under the ownership of The North West Company. Its stock trades on the Toronto exchange and I believe that it is the only publically owned company which still engages in the fur trade with natives.
     
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    I do believe what IS fair is a flat rate tax, where everybody pays the same percentage of thier income and do away with all the crazy deductions we have now, which are probably greatly abused. I'm not in favor of paying more taxes because you HAVE more, just based on earned income and capital gains. Every body pays the same sales tax rate no matter what you earn, but it works that the more you spend the more tax you pay. I'm not saying I like that guy Cain (or not), but I like his 9 9 9 plan; It makes lots of sense to me. No deductions for having 13 kids legal or not. No punishment for being wealthy at all. Now, how that will solve our economy problems, is another story. Spending has to be controlled. No freebies to lazy ass shits. I give generously to charities to help the truly unfortunate. I do believe in the American Dream, and have gotten to a happy point; not wealthy, but I am able to buy/do what I like. No boats, fancy cars, nothing extravagant.
    Never had the desire to be flashy.
     
  16. Ian Gills

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    No, I propose rewarding those with more less (than they get now) because they don't need it with all contributing and the rich contributing more (than they contribute now).

    For example, rich seniors should not get Medicare. That's ridiculous. And rich income earners should not benefit from tax loopholes. That's also ridiculous.

    But the bottom line is that voters should decide. And with many Americans getting poorer, I would hope most would be with me on this one.

    We've tried it your way and we're hardly living in a period of unrivalled prosperity, eh?

    Time for a change.

    Thank goodness we have a man at the top fit for the job.

    Second term! Second term!
     
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    Those who have paid into Medicare for many years, like myself are entitled to it. I hate that word. Did you know, Ian, that when you are retired and 65 or older, and have health insurance, that they will not pay your doctor until they recieve a copy of Medicare's Explanation of Benefits statement? How many people are wealthy enough to pay ALL thier medical expenses out of their own pocket? Medicare is primary coverage when you're 65 or older. No Medicare, no secondary coverage payment to medical provider.

    Ian, please go back home and mind your own business.
     
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    The slaughter was avoided because the English were too pig headed to adapt to the native outdoor survival methods. They ate their salt pork in wool jackets and froze to death like flies. Stayed at the camp and let the REAL MEN bring in the goods, giving them guns, files and needles in exchange.

    Read Samuel Hearnes journal from the 1600's. had to find. Then for real fun, do Farley Mowats trilogy on all the english attempts to find the northwest passage. Horror stories.....Amazing reading. And do the story of that Freak English Sir Franklin, who made his men hike out with his silverware in their pockets, and to every man died terrible deaths.

    http://www.amazon.com/Polar-Passion...r_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319136007&sr=1-12

    not sure if thats the correct one, but dig in there.
     
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    Farley is hard to beat. A rare combination of a liberal who hates government bueracrats. As he should, given the way Canada's bueracrats extirpriated an entire population of primitive inland eskimo, the Ihalmiut, in our lifetimes, and within a four hour flight of Chicago. The Tundra is a true classic of exploration literature. And Hearne's walk from Hudson Bay to the Coppermine makes Lewis and Clark look like the academic wimps which they were before their publicists got involved. And Hearne did it 30 years earlier while in the employ of the Hudson Bay Company, with profit as his motive.
     
  20. Ian Gills

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    Bob's right. Let's end this silliness.

    America needs a public option.

    I'm amazed by this reference to "English". You were all English, or from around there, back then. English-American is a better term. Or European-American, perhaps.
     
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