I'm seeing the exact same thing here in Newport Beach on homes about 10 years old. Most of these homes have whole house filter that should be removing chlorine & chloromines
Are these homes using the red and blue pipes?
John
I'm seeing the exact same thing here in Newport Beach on homes about 10 years old. Most of these homes have whole house filter that should be removing chlorine & chloromines
thanks Jeff!
I’ll check that out!
-bow
To follow up further, Uponor has now admitted via class action lawsuit in Colorado only that the color-adding via heat process is what causes the failures.https://www.classaction.org/media/matzdorf-et-al-v-uponor-inc-et-al.pdfIf I were to guess, and this is not from lots of product knowledge, my guess is that during the manufacturing process, whatever happened, the crosslinking process was not performed completely or properly. The crosslinking is what creates the memory. If it's not to spec, they would not be as strong, nor would they collapse as tight to create the seal with the fitting...it the worst case, the links would break, and a crack would form.
One of the main differences between the three types is the amount an method of creating the crosslinking in the tubing. Type-A has the most crosslinking, and as a result, is the only one that can work with the expansion tool. The others don't have as much flexibility, or as much memory. Seems that the tubing is acting like a type -B or -C, not as type -A that it should be.
To follow up further, Uponor has now admitted via class action lawsuit in Colorado only that the color-adding via heat process is what causes the failures.https://www.classaction.org/media/matzdorf-et-al-v-uponor-inc-et-al.pdf
yesAre these homes using the red and blue pipes?
John
I wonder if this problem will get so bad that uponor will attempt to offer picking up tab on homes that haven't failed yet but have red or blue color PEX to avoid the water damage and lawsuits .To follow up further, Uponor has now admitted via class action lawsuit in Colorado only that the color-adding via heat process is what causes the failures.https://www.classaction.org/media/matzdorf-et-al-v-uponor-inc-et-al.pdf
So that means that they are keenly aware of the amount of re-pipe and wall repairs.
They fully paid for entire large home to be re-piped and wall repairs in the case I was involved in.
Now alerting customers where we used colored Uponor PEX.
I am in GA and when I got re-pipe quotes most quoted PEX-B and when I asked why most mentioned seeing PEX-A failures in some newer homes and one mentioned that PEX-A and recirc is a big no-no.I admit I kind of skimmed that .pdf (I can't believe the hundred different ways they have to say the same thing over and over), but it sounds like the plaintiffs are the ones saying that Uponor admitted the problem because of Uponor's decision to remove the red and blue PEX from the market, but I didn't see anything from Uponor outright admitting the product is defective unless I just flat out missed it.
I'm truly surprised how early the problems are manifesting - the plaintiff's house was built in 2017! I would think Uponor would have done a bit of aging testing. The micro cracks should have been visible through a microscope fairly early after it was made if not immediately.
Too bad, great product otherwise.
Thanks for the update.
John
We are seeing this problem constantly.
Uponor will have to be contacted (start with your local rep or go directly to the corporate cust serv) They will pay to have your home repiped. That is the case with most all iterations of the colored pipe from them. You must cut out and save sections of the failures showing the batch numbers.
Lots of homes affected, yet they have not publicly issued a notice.
This looks exactly like mine! House was built in 2012 in Texas. I'm on my 4th leak on the red lines. It's crazy... as soon as I get my walls repaired it happens again! If you have made any progress with Uponor, please share. Did you send them the samples?I know this post was from last year, but I am experiencing the exact same issue. House completely remodeled in 2014 and my PEX started getting pin point cracks, on the hot, at the plastic connectors.
I’ve had to replace 8 holes now… YES, 8.
Happens right at fitting!!! I keep chasing it. Basically a new leak starts every few months!
JUST fixed one tonight!
Thank you, I've started one so far. They want all but I don't have the first few leaks because thought it was just a fluke. After several leaks I started keeping them. The money is adding up fixing the leaks and damage from them since they drip/spray and takes forever to notice coming from the attic until its down the walls and seeping through sheetrock or standing on wet carpet.You need to contact Uponor and make a claim (which they need sample of batch numbers). They should pay for complete repipe and all repairs along with it.
Yellow fine, cracks badIs it normal for the rings to yellow? Just saw this thread because I've been repiping with rolls of red and blue uponor pex-A I have. I needed to buy another roll of 3/4 blue and couldn't find it. I have rolls of red 1/2, 3/4 and blue 1/2 all from 2016 still. All seem ok. But I think I'll chuck them now.
I noticed that the crimp rings are turning yellow though. Some cold and some hot on the 1/2 in the bathroom that I can see and not in the wall. Those are just small yellow dots though. By my water heater the 1in hot side is turning pretty yellow and cold side is still white (pics attached).
For what it's worth my water has no chlorine in it. All installed 2016 and later.
Im kinda suspect of the rings now...
Rings are fine. Contact your supplier for exchange or at worst, the local Uponor rep.Is it normal for the rings to yellow? Just saw this thread because I've been repiping with rolls of red and blue uponor pex-A I have. I needed to buy another roll of 3/4 blue and couldn't find it. I have rolls of red 1/2, 3/4 and blue 1/2 all from 2016 still. All seem ok. But I think I'll chuck them now.
I noticed that the crimp rings are turning yellow though. Some cold and some hot on the 1/2 in the bathroom that I can see and not in the wall. Those are just small yellow dots though. By my water heater the 1in hot side is turning pretty yellow and cold side is still white (pics attached).
For what it's worth my water has no chlorine in it. All installed 2016 and later.
Im kinda suspect of the rings now...
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