Comparing costs of LP, Natural Gas, and Electric

And your still here...

It took you longer to write that than it would take the average person to read the original post - sounds like your the one that has no life...

"A bunch of people"... bro there are like 5 individuals total that responded to this (you don't even count), and 2 of them didn't mention going with NG...

And next your going to tell me you have a "bunch of experience" with this stuff? lol

Maybe your just jealous that you either can't create or comprehend a simple financial analysis like I originally created above...

Please, keep the manipulative replies coming - I am finding them entertaining at this point lol
Holy crap dude! I'm surprised you fit through doorways with that head of yours. Not sure what your problem is but all the info you need is in your original post. You come here to a forum where people are taking time out of their busy schedule to help others when they don't have to. You ask a ridiculous question, have blatant confirmation bias, get offended by people trying to answer the ridiculous question, and then start yelling at people about how you don't like their opinions and you know better than the professionals. I'll even bet that the reason you are here is because you've asked this same question to people and contractors around you and nobody wants to help because of your rude attitude towards others. Get a grip, and calm down, or you can leave cause you won't get results this way.
 
And your still here...

It took you longer to write that than it would take the average person to read the original post - sounds like your the one that has no life...

"A bunch of people"... bro there are like 5 individuals total that responded to this (you don't even count), and 2 of them didn't mention going with NG...

And next your going to tell me you have a "bunch of experience" with this stuff? lol

Maybe your just jealous that you either can't create or comprehend a simple financial analysis like I originally created above...

Please, keep the manipulative replies coming - I am finding them entertaining at this point lol
Lol.
 
Overall your math is good and the rational is good.

Other things to take in to consideration are maintenance for any of the options over the next decade or three. Not just the cost but availability of parts and competent service people for whatever equipment you end up going with.

As much as I like high efficiency and lower operating costs, I also like simplicity at the expense of efficiency. If a more efficient option will pay for itself in 5 to 10 years I will usually go for it. I also place value to equipment that I can troubleshoot and repair myself.

If you go all electric I would think PV and battery backup would be consideration as well. Even if you go a heat pump route (air or ground).

NG has an appeal, especially if power outages are common and a back generator are in the budget.

Pay close attention to air sealing and heat recovery.
 
My 2cts. Home 1850 sqft built in 2015 with 2x6 walls r30 insulation and ceilings r40 fiberglass
My town does not provide and never will natural gas. Choice was electric (unreliable) or propane
I’m happy with the propane (1000 gallon tank) because we got 31 inches of snow and when the power went out the propane generator gave us warmth and electricity and well water The propane supplier is a thief charging $3.29 per gallon delivered. I am in northern Nj on top of a mountain. I’m happy that the decision not to do electric heat.
 
My 2cts. Home 1850 sqft built in 2015 with 2x6 walls r30 insulation and ceilings r40 fiberglass
My town does not provide and never will natural gas. Choice was electric (unreliable) or propane
I’m happy with the propane (1000 gallon tank) because we got 31 inches of snow and when the power went out the propane generator gave us warmth and electricity and well water The propane supplier is a thief charging $3.29 per gallon delivered. I am in northern Nj on top of a mountain. I’m happy that the decision not to do electric heat.
Very rural small town 15 miles. Southern Missouri in the Ozarks went with heat pumps and lp cast iron stove. Have 500 gallon tank for a cook stove and generator for the same reasons. Longest power outage 8 days. Were warm and comfortable.
 
I have electric and natural gas. Electric to take the chill out and gas to maintain the 70 degrees, with each CI radiator having its own non-electric valves to control the temperature
Overall your math is good and the rational is good.

Other things to take in to consideration are maintenance for any of the options over the next decade or three. Not just the cost but availability of parts and competent service people for whatever equipment you end up going with.

As much as I like high efficiency and lower operating costs, I also like simplicity at the expense of efficiency. If a more efficient option will pay for itself in 5 to 10 years I will usually go for it. I also place value to equipment that I can troubleshoot and repair myself.

If you go all electric I would think PV and battery backup would be consideration as well. Even if you go a heat pump route (air or ground).

NG has an appeal, especially if power outages are common and a back generator are in the budget.

Pay close attention to air sealing and heat recovery.

Excellent advice Bill
 
Gas vs LP usually comes down to your local rates, and your footprint is big enough that small price swings add up fast. I’ve used smarterbusiness.co.uk before to sanity-check gas unit rates and standing charges, and it helped me spot how much fixed tariffs can save over winter. If your gas hookup cost is reasonable, the long-term math usually favors natural gas, especially in colder areas like Western New York.

I don't know if the OP's quoted figures for NG CCF includes the delivery charges averaged in or not, but those must be calculated in as well to get a total cost. Where I am, oil is cheaper than NG and LP.

John
 
I don't know if the OP's quoted figures for NG CCF includes the delivery charges averaged in or not, but those must be calculated in as well to get a total cost. Where I am, oil is cheaper than NG and LP.

John
John, in 1982, I was requested by a local newspaper (Riverdale Press) to give the pros and cons of natural gas and oil.


From what I remember, it was Oil you pay for before you use it, gas is paid for after you use it.
Oil, you can negotiate prices, PLUS they give you a service contract for about $100 a year.

A utility such as Con Ed will require you to pay their non-negotiable price, or you lose service

Oil is toxic and expensive to clean up. Gas leaks can cause an explosion.

Oil companies' service agreement means they will come 24 -7

Oil has to be delivered, and in some localities, it is not possible because of snow accumulation

Utilities are NOT allowed to make service calls other than for a leak, as it is "unfair utility competition," so they will say, "Call a plumber."

After the Riverdale Press printed pro and con on both sides of the middle of the paper, all my gas requests to the utility seemed to have gone missing for 2 months.

The problem is that some utilities used to rent a water heater or boiler cut off service if the client didn't pay.

If a plumber leased a boiler or water heater and the account did not pay the most, we could file a mechanics lien and wait a year or two before going to court

Oil is cheaper because #2 oil has a BTU rating of 138.000- 140,000 per gallon

A cubic foot of natural gas has a BTU rating of 900 -1,200

Propane is more dangerous than other types of fuel as it is heavier than air, forms pockets, and is highly explosive


The oil-fired boiler needs service yearly. filters, strainers, nozzles

Gas is cleaner and could go years without any service.
 
The biggest scam that is appearing with electric and natural gas isn't the cost of the product which in a lot of states it negotiated what isn't is the delivery/ demand charge. This is a license to steal, utilities have a free range. Gas companies with 30 year old pipeline raising the cost double or more. Electric the grid. Who's paying for the upgrades and the data centers. Remember Foxxconn in Wisconsin 2018 $10 billion 13k jobs $3 billion in subsidies. Read about it.
 
The utilities in NY were forced to hire incompetent people to fill a quota.

It was common to see certain people standing around as some old guy was digging. 5-man crew, 2 or 3 actually worked.

This dead wood caused the utilities to increase their prices, rightfully so.

I was on a job in Brooklyn, a bus-load of people with baseball bats arrived and demanded jobs for people in the area, regardless of skill level.

Later, I found out from one of the new employees that he had to give kickbacks to the ones who placed him there 30-40% of his pay. The blacks I did hire in the Bronx were not considered members of the coalitions of Brooklyn, and they demanded I fire them and hire whom they approved.\

Rudy Giuliani put an end to the shake downs BUT it did increase job costs considerably.
They even had the gall to say pay us $$$ and you do not have to hire anyone

Black coalitions on construction sites, notably emerging in the 1960s and 70s in cities like NYC, Pittsburgh, and Chicago, were organized to combat systemic exclusion, racial discrimination, and to fight for, or secure, minority jobs on publicly funded projects. Using direct action, these groups often marched on, or shut down, jobsites that lacked Black representation, aiming to force unions and contractors into hiring Black workers and contractors.
 
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