Chair Carrier for Clinc Service Sink really needed?

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Planning to mount an American Standard Clinic Service Sink 9512999 to the garage wall.
Anyone khow the Chair Carrier is mounted and what it does? (I do not have one.)

The sink would have 3/4-inch bolts going through the 2x4 sole plate __|___ of the laundry room wall.
The laundry room floor is two feet higher than the garage floor.

Where the 3/4" bolts go through the sink's 7/8" mounting holes, I plan to wrap many layers of ductape to make the bolts snug and spread stresses out.

Luckily found a clinic service sink faucet at a thrift store!

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Totally inappropriate for residential.
you need a 3 or 4" (preferred) drain if you are using an expensive 1-1/2" flushometer, not to mention a huge water supply.
5/8" allthread rod will work.
Why bother?
 

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Totally inappropriate for residential.
you need a 3 or 4" (preferred) drain if you are using an expensive 1-1/2" flushometer, not to mention a huge water supply.
5/8" allthread rod will work.
Why bother?
Thank you.
Fortunately will connect to an existing nearby 3" PVC waste line.
Hopefully can find a flushometer at ReStore. A few years ago saw one at a thrift store.
Will need a tall standpipe beneath the flushometer to allow enough water to fill the bowl.
Until one is found, was considering using a stop to flush the clinic service sink. 1/2" copper water line hopefully will producenough water flow, but the house has 5/8" coming in.
Will be useful for dog waste and many things, uncluding a urinal when I am in the garage.
 

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Its got a LOT of leverage.. The mounting must be sturdy or it will come off the wall with likely catastrophic water leaking results.
 

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I flushometor is 40 fixture units Im assuming 1 inch flushometor but still that requires a 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 I think I roughed these in befor its been awhile , contact A. S . I t would be cool to use but ill leave it to you to find out , maybe you can put a wall hung valve or tub valve with it I just dont know .
If you come up with an idea let us know I really dont know how it attaches I think the trap is integral . I dont see info on the carrier so notify AS
 

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Its got a LOT of leverage.. The mounting must be sturdy or it will come off the wall with likely catastrophic water leaking results.
Yes. Thank you.
Fortunately the two upper fixture holes go through the sole plate attacted to the laundryroom floor. Have also run bolts through the sole plate through the floor, so the 2x4s should not move.
If there is any sagging, a support post under theavy fixture to the garage floor will support the leverage.
The bottom bolt is were the fixture pushes into the wall.
 

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I flushometor is 40 fixture units Im assuming 1 inch flushometor but still that requires a 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 I think I roughed these in befor its been awhile , contact A. S . I t would be cool to use but ill leave it to you to find out , maybe you can put a wall hung valve or tub valve with it I just dont know .
If you come up with an idea let us know I really dont know how it attaches I think the trap is integral . I dont see info on the carrier so notify AS
Thank you.
Would branching off a 3/4" copper line less than 10 feet away be enough?
If not, would it be OK to branch from the 3/4 pipe before the pressureducer? (Would the pressureducer still be working after 24 years?)
Our water company kindly did a pressure test from the garden spigot and it was normal. I forgothe PSI.
 

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Thank you.
Would branching off a 3/4" copper line less than 10 feet away be enough?
If not, would it be OK to branch from the 3/4 pipe before the pressureducer? (Would the pressureducer still be working after 24 years?)
Our water company kindly did a pressure test from the garden spigot and it was normal. I forgothe PSI.
I was refering to it being legal on a flushometor the sink you speced showed a flushometor and 6.5 gal per flush thats va lot of water . it also calls for a carrier which is a name for special framed bracketry. Ive never installed the sinks just the rough in
 

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I was refering to it being legal on a flushometor the sink you speced showed a flushometor and 6.5 gal per flush thats va lot of water . it also calls for a carrier which is a name for special framed bracketry. Ive never installed the sinks just the rough in
Thank you.
Code would not allow any water fixture in the garage. (Never had a problem withe laundry tub there.)
Carrier too expensive andifficulto install in a 24-year-old house.
 

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Would branching off a 3/4" copper line less than 10 feet away be enough?
The problem is, that most of us who install professionally would never have the opportunity to try to undersize a flushometer fixture because that would cause us to fail an inspection.

Old blowout urinals used 3/4 flushometers.. I don't really know what GPM they produce tho. But you would need to either get yourself an old one or try to convert a new one to higher gpm.

I've never worked with these sinks in any way shape or form, so I don't know if they would pass solid waste (dog feces) with lower gpm flushing, or even if they would clear the bowl of liquid waste (urine) with less than normal.
 

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why use a flushometor then ? wont you want hot and cold water ?
Yes!
On the wall above the clinic service sink is to be a spigot with hot and cold valves.
The wall hung fixture is like a square toilet, bowl 16" fronto back, 17" wide, with holes under the four rims.
Also like many toilets there is a jet in the bowl outlet to force water up and over the trap "hill".
 
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The problem is, that most of us who install professionally would never have the opportunity to try to undersize a flushometer fixture because that would cause us to fail an inspection.

Old blowout urinals used 3/4 flushometers.. I don't really know what GPM they produce tho. But you would need to either get yourself an old one or try to convert a new one to higher gpm.

I've never worked with these sinks in any way shape or form, so I don't know if they would pass solid waste (dog feces) with lower gpm flushing, or even if they would clear the bowl of liquid waste (urine) with less than normal.
Thank you.
Yes, will discover if enough water flow to make it 'flushed with pride'.
 

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the sink on web site with the number you providedshows a strainer How Is Dog crap supposed to go down that? Have you spoken to A S and or have the sink yet ? photos of the one you have . I cant imagine it will work worth a shit (pun intended) LOL
 

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the sink on web site with the number you providedshows a strainer How Is Dog crap supposed to go down that? Have you spoken to A S and or have the sink yet ? photos of the one you have . I cant imagine it will work worth a shit (pun intended) LOL
The strainer is an optional overpriced purchase which can be set in place and removed.
Also three metal rim guards can be purchased.
Other than the standpipe nipple, nothing came withe $40 fixture from ReStore.
(Brand new, it firstarted out at $200. They would reduce the priceveryveek.)

ReStore may sometime have a flushometer. Never knowhatheyvilhave!

Bought a American Standard Cadet bidet from ReStore for $20. Its perverter valve had no internal vacuum breaker. Someone installed a 1/4-inch chrome tube which extended above the rim 6" inches to a vacuum breaker and back down to the diverter.

Then found a Kohler bidet for $15 and removed its diverter valve/vacuum breaker, faucets, douche nozzle and pop-up drain stopper and puthem on the Cadet. Then put the AS appurtenances on the Kohler bidet and donated it back to ReStore.

Today it makes no sense to install a real bidet now thatoilet seat "bidets" are available. Years ago we bought a AMDM Intelliseat® at Costco. Everyone should have one. Required only adding a nearby electrical outlet.
 
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Today it makes no sense to install a real bidet now thatoilet seat "bidets" are available. Years ago we bought a AMDM Intelliseat® at Costco. Everyone should have one. Required only adding a nearby electrical outlet.
There is a tower in Seattle that I frequently service their Toto Neorest toilets. When they were built each owner had the option to upgrade their toilets to Neorest. The primary bathrooms however were plumbed with a more traditional bidet next to the toilet. So now a lot of these condos have both a floor mounted bidet next to a Neorest toilet. One lady called her bidet a foot washer.
 

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There is a tower in Seattle that I frequently service their Toto Neorest toilets. When they were built each owner had the option to upgrade their toilets to Neorest. The primary bathrooms however were plumbed with a more traditional bidet next to the toilet. So now a lot of these condos have both a floor mounted bidet next to a Neorest toilet. One lady called her bidet a foot washer.
Years ago, beloved Chessie - Chesapeake Bay Retriever, would drink from the bidet.
Fresh water would very slowly (drip rate) fill the bowl. If ever too much, it would go outhe overflow.
 
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