Antique toilet rear seal help sought

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Dave G

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We recently bought a 1896 Victorian house with a two piece H.S. Rivitz & Co (out of Cleveland / Akron) two piece toilet. This toilet has a wall mounted tank attached to the bowl by a 2" by 90 degree metal pipe (with a 6" long leg length). The rear of the bowl has a 2" OD male threaded pipe protruding from the porcelian horizontally and parallel to the floor for the tank connection. The flanged seal between the male bowl pipe and the porcelian is leaking.

i would like to preserve the toilet and replace the rear male pipe flanged seal.

Any Thoughts?

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Hello all
1st post here.

We recently bought a 1896 Victorian house with a two piece H.S. Rivitz & Co (out of Cleveland / Akron) two piece toilet. This toilet has a wall mounted tank attached to the bowl by a 2" by 90 degree metal pipe (with a 6" long leg length). The rear of the bowl has a 2" OD male threaded pipe protruding from the porcelian horizontally and parallel to the floor for the tank connection. The flanged seal between the male bowl pipe and the porcelian is leaking.

i would like to preserve the toilet and replace the rear male pipe flanged seal.

Any Thoughts?

Dave

I would spend the money on a nice new 1.6 gallon toilet. They do make some really nice looking toilets today.

That beast of a toilet uses about 5-6 gallons per flush:eek: I don't find it worth any body'stime to fix such an old thing. It will start having other problems.
 
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Closet spud

Thanks HJ

I have double nutted the male and it only spins in place.

Any thoughts?

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Dont touch it.....or you might be sorry

I would not touch that spud.....


if it spins, leave it alone.....


you can seal it up with Clear Silicone
or go get some plumbers epoxy

I have saved quite a few old ones with
plumbers expoxy......

simply seal up that spud with either one very heavily,
then let it set up ...... that should work fine



if you mess with that Antuque Toilet too much you might

get the elbow on the botom of the tank leaking too.....,

then....... its the crying game....


you really dont want to fool with that elbow

if you can avoid it...
 

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I would replace the 2" spud and flush el you should get another 50 years or, so out of it! Parts are scarce but still sold at good supply houses. If you go to change it you will probably find the rough in is an oddball dimension.
 

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spud

Once it spins you have to replace it. Hold the brass piece that goes into the toilet and then unscrew the nut. Push the brass piece in to separate it from the rubber washer then pull it out. Or call a plumber to do it so you don't crack the toilet.
 

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Remember that special washer

Thats fine that they can replace the spud...

its getting that special washer that fits the
nut that will get him in troubles....

its getting the new nut to start ect.....

every time I have ever had to fool with one
it turned into a fight tryig to get or make a
washer out of packing thread to get the damn
thing to stop leaking..

standing on your head , bear hugging and leaning behind a 100 year
old toilet soaked in god knows what ....
looking for a minute leak on a spud is
more fun than I can take in a day......

you cant move the tank, or move the toilet....or
it trouble.....



its not getting the upper old nut to start leaking....

its not having to pull the tank off the wall, go find
a new elbow and try to line the whole thing back up........


please do whatever you want to do.....

which ever approach sounds the most feasable
to get you out of troubles......


good luck
 
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When I attack an old two piece wc, I replace both spuds, elbow, ball cock w/float, even if it's a top supply tank, and flush handle. This means taking the tank off the wall. With everything new I've got better odds of avoiding leaks. I've had luck with spud washers by buttering them up with pipe dope. I've even had to grind down the flange (love my peanut grinder) on a spud recently, because it wouldn't fit into the bowl.
 
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