A 12-story residential building in Surfside, Florida, partially collapsed

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Of course we are all guessing.
First guess: rebar corrosion so bad (salt water atmosphere and some other leaks) leading to structural steel failure. Yet, we've seen how much reinforcing steel goes into modern buildings. So hard to imagine it in a developed country.
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One thing that was mentioned was that the building was sinking some as noticed by some cracks in the underground garage. In many areas of the world, as the population grows and they pump more water out of the ground, this is one major reason for land subsistence. Throw in then that salt water tends to replace it along the coast, it can cause all sorts of issues.

It will take a while before we know, or have a better idea why this happened. Last report had nearly 100-people unaccounted for. That whole wing pretty much pancaked. They did find a 10-year old boy that was alive, so there's hope for some yet.
 

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I heard cracks in garage were blamed on nearby construction. It will be interesting to find out why building failed . I guess a 40 year inspection was underway and that was the first major required inspection if I heard correctly. This failure might spark changes to avoid occurrences to other similar buildings
 

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Updated, the last picture shows more that I didn't see before. A much larger part of the building, and not as clear about the support in the garage. If it was similar though, it might make sense. The link to the WP article is very good.

Looking at video, I see twelve stories being supported by three concrete columns where the parking garage is. If those supports are sinking in any way then that would account for the above section of building for pulling away and falling outward from the rest of the structure.
Pictures taken from video.

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Three support posts hold up the twelve stories.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...HkF9JBJmIZRoHJOTOofADbJcA4U7w71wyUIyI8p_yn8BA
 
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Subsistence is a problem in many cities. In Boston, a good portion of the Back Bay (high dollar residential area), is mostly fill that was a swamp ages ago. Many of the old buildings use wooden posts driven into the ground for support. Those lasted for decades, but the water table has been changing, allowing some to rot out...not easy to put new support structures underneath an existing building!

I think it's Jakarta, Indonesia, where they're abandoning the capital city and building a new one that won't be affected by both the sea level rise and the subsistence. The city has grown, and removing ground water has it sinking radically. Mexico City has a simlar problem. This is especially problematic where ever you have clay, as clay compresses considerably when it dries out, and it is much slower to rebound, if it does, as it also then becomes more dense, and doesn't allow that water to infiltrate it.

One report I read today was of a relative that was talking to a resident the evening before this incident...they mentioned that they were awakened by some loud creaking in the building. In general, a big, mainly concrete building creaking is not a good sign...unfortunately, that person probably won't have the benefit of learning from that mistake. Sad
 

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Wow, I did not know about this one. Honestly, I do not really understand how these kinds of "events" can happen in 2021. I mean, we all know that saltwater atmosphere leads to rebar corrosion and structural steel failure, but as someone said above, we've seen how much reinforcing steel goes into modern buildings. Now we really have to question the quality of the materials used to build residential towers. This kind of thing should not happen in 2021 when we have so much information available, and basically, every domain has reached an insane level of development. Man, because of this kind of tragedy, the state has some insane unplanned expenses. Just imagine how many forklifts have been sent to a forklift truck repair and service after removing all that mess. Moreover, how much they had to spend on them. And many other things cost them a lot.
 
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You Can buy a brand new car drive 16 k miles a year never touch it other than say a battery but how long will it last with zero maintenance?
changing conditions water on ground for 40 years , repeated warnings by engineers and an willing /unable homeowners to maintain property.
Very sad, no one really expects it till it happens. Only Hope to prevent further disasters like this not just in Florida
 

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There's a FL engineer, his name is Jeff Ostroff, who posts videos of what is known up to date, explaining and raising possible causes for what actually happened.
A lot of what he says makes sense.
Go to YouTube and search by his name.
 

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Two things will make the problem worse and compound the problems:
- the seal level IS rising, mostly slowly, but it's rising
- especially around cities, they're pumping more water out for drinking and other industrial uses, and that can cause ground subsistence, which can let salt water get where it couldn't before. Most major cities are starting to see this become more and more of a problem. Mexico City has a major problem with that, and the capital of Indonesia is literally planning to abandon that city and move elsewhere because of the two things above and the subsistence that's gotten so severe. Houston and Boston are also affected, and probably MANY other places, too.
 
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