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Thank you Terry. Nice to get crisp definitive answers.

Thanks cacher_chick for providing the hard data for the Drake II. Now, anyone out there with an Ultramax II who can post that measurements? To those of you who do not understand the importance of that piece of data, you need to accept the FACT that different people have different morphologies...

Thanks for all the feedback. I have learned a lot. I just wish that one of you with a Drake II or an Ultramax II would measure that distance. Toto USA has been very nice but unable to provide the data. They acknowledged my request and supposedly passed it on to Engineering! If I ever get a...

Thanks Jim for taking the trouble to measure the Water Depth From Rim on your Toto Carlyle. 6.25" is not great. I would have prefer closer to 7". I'd love for someone to provide here the data for a Drake II and an Ultramax EL. I understand about MAP scores and need no more indoctrination on...

No issue with splashing. It's a "dangle dunking" thing for my husband. I don't want to hear another shocked scream triggered by a cold water dunk (and I will not consider warming the incoming water which would cool off anyway while waiting in the bowl). In addition, I consider such a dunking...

Admittedly I have not read every post on this site and other sites I have perused. There may be a discussion of this critical parameter somewhere but I have not found it. In my household, this parameter is far more critical than the size of the water spot which seems to be always spec-ed...