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GREAT thread, I just found it, and am going through the same decision making process. I did find that Consumer Reports didn't particularly like the double cyclone for their pretty severe tests, but my real world is large matter getting moved. So... If you still get replies to you on this...

Thanks. And while I'm not concerned about the difference in price between ultramax and II, when spending this kind of money, it's the "at least hopefully" part I want to avoid... :)

Thanks. With the prices for these things, I'm not too concerned about the difference in price, I just don't want to be sorry I got something "new" when the 854 has literally HUNDREDS of positive reviews, and there are lot of complaints about 1.2x gallon flush toilets. So my main concern is...

We're looking at the Toto models MS854114SL-01 Ultramax ADA vs. cyclone Ultramax II Gwyneth MS604114CEF (don't know ADA model for sure). I've seen not so good reviews of the 1.28 gallon Totos. The video of your review with blue dye and a couple of pieces of toilet paper don't seem to emulate...