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theelviscerator

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Yes Cass, the US flag upside down is a recognized distress signal...

However, to have one nations flag above another, or share the same flagpole is disrespect.



As I stated above...
Round them all up, Check citizenship, and deport as many as possible...
What would happen if we went to Mexico and had a similar demonstration disrespecting their flag?



You would get lynched, tied to a post, dismembered and set on fire.

Wanna see some color pictures of an example? ;)
 
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You would get lynched, tied to a post, dismembered and set on fire.

Wanna see some color pictures of an example? ;)

Maybe I'll just send my nephew...
He loves his job....

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The American Flag upside down means America in Distress...I am not sure if when it was place that way they knew it or not...they may have done it to disrespect it...but regardless it should have been on the National News but the politically correct left wouldn't want to cause any problems with their voters...

when I gaze at the general view of our president it reminds me of how much of Germany acted toward Hitler before and during the War...

I was reading my Times today, May 18th.

I am quoting this:

The President recently told a remarkable story about his grandmother. In the last months of her life---she was dying of cancer---she broke her hip and received a hip replacement from Medicare. " I don't know how much that hip replacement cost " Obama told the New York Times, and he questioned whether giving people a hip replacement when they are terminally ill is a sustainable model. " This is the most sensitive health care issue imagineable. But the question of whether the government can decide which health treatments are appropriate is central to whether an central health care system can be devised. Part of the answer is implicated in the electronic medical records sytem that Obama has proposed.


It goes on talking about us baby boomers.
 

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Yes....This is the question that all the " The government should supply us with it free" crowd does not realize...once the government supplys health care to every one they will be the one that decide if spending the $$$ is worth it...they will decide if you are to old to spend the $$$ or if the cost of treatment is to high...I for one don't want to hear" Hi...my name is John, Im from the government and today I will be deciding if you live or die...

If you think it is bad now with the HMOs people should just look at other countrys...they are 100s of X worse than the HMOs but very few understand...the way it is now is not perfect...there will never be a perfect one ...but it is the best system in the world....


I'm not sure if any of you saw this on the news but there were a few people in France that were just told that they could not receive possible life saving treatment for cancer because it was to expensive...


Guess where the first government cut backs would be during a recession or depression...They would start with the elderly...and they would set what age they conside elderly to be...
 
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Well, the article of the May 18th issue goes on saying,
about the baby boomer's:

" Since most of the baby boomer's about to enter the Medicaid system we have been living with managed care for the past 20 years, a gradual transition may not be impossible." The real battle, and the fate of this liberal dream, will be fought over what gets covered and who decides.
 
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Trust me, you would like free health care.

I have some of the best private medical insurance in this country (provided by my employer) and I am still stunned at how much I still have to pay out-of-pocket or the hoops I have to jump through to get the more complex treatment, versus how I am treated in Europe.

Waiting a couple of weeks (in extreme cases, often there is no wait) but getting everything for free is much better under socialised medicine.

And socialised medicine does not mean the end of private. They can live together side-by-side. You just will have to pay for both. But America spends so much on defence and going into space (for God's sake) that you won't notice any difference anyway.

Healthy people pay taxes, sick people don't. Remember that.
 
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Have you ever experienced an expensive, major health problem a few times over? Just a question, what would happen if you were on chemo for 5 years, at 120,000 thousand dollars a drug? Not to fail to mention, your scans are 20,000 a year and then, a whole lot of incidentals. And, you are mid 50's, and you spent the past 11 years fighting it, an incurable disease, but being controlled and managed, with no guarantees. When would they say no to you? And, could you have a bone marrow transplant and also, an autologous stem cell transplant? Are you familiar with the cost of these?

There are other factors too, you would need to present to them, or add on; other medical problems equally, as tough and expensive. (We are not talking a hip replacement either.)
 
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In the UK, no problem. All paid for by the State. My father-in-law has a US$30,000 a month condition. No problems.

Here, the insurance company would have kicked him to the kerb years ago.

The problem in the US is that health "insurance" is not really insurance. Insurance is supposed to share the risk among everybody...so we all pay a little, just in case, and the guy that gets sick gets the treatment. But in America, if they think you are too risky they kick you out, just leaving all the healthy guys in, which defeats the whole purpose!

ALL SHOULD PAY, ALL SHOULD BENEFIT. PERIOD. GET THE GOVERNMENT IN.
 
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I am not on the curb, and my medical bills are more than you can imagine. Ian, my pills were 500 a piece, lol.

I am glad you like your health insurance over in the UK, and I like mine here. :) Infact, I like it alot, because I know, no matter how old I get, no matter if they decide I am not worth it anymore, the deciding factor will be mine... I cast the vote Ian.:) That is the difference.
 

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But what happens if you can't pay the premium?

You've worked hard for this country, now the country should do its bit for you.

You always write the most contraversial posts Cookie :). This section of the forum should be renamed Cookie's corner.

Could you do that Terry?

(if you mention his name he normally responds).
 
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I have learned a long time ago to not to live in the world of what if's.

A long time ago, my oncologist sat me down, when I had asked him, "what if this doesn't work?" My husband was with me holding my hand when the oncologist told me this, " you need to get a new mindset."

I had left that office that day saying to my husband, "I don't know what he means, what does he mean, a new mindset?" "Only you can answer that for yourself" he answered.

And, I did.
 

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That makes me laugh, no Terry, I thank yee Ian, but, Rugged already gave me a Cookie's Corner and along with it comes many hours of thinking, and wondering and working. I have had pretty decent columns in newspapers and I turn them down today for that very reason. I hide behind this mask you see with a belly-button ring. :)
 

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It is surely better what he is spending it on than trying to step in with an open checkbook and fix a problem that has not been solved since 622 A.D. despite all efforts of many govenments... :cool:
 

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Yeah, it doesn't make me feel so bad that my check book doesn't balance when the government can't balance theirs even with all the think tanks they got and the best of accountants at their fingertips. The baby boomers are in for a rude awakening. Their are just too many of us.
 

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Trust me, you would like free health care.

I guess you've never been a resident of Canada. Ask them how they like their government health care.

I will agree with one thing you said though (and only one so far). The fact that insurance isn't what it started out to be. As it started you pay in as does everyone else who want's health care and the insurance company pays for your illness no matter what it is and they make money in the process. Now that greed has set in and lobbyists are rampant in congress, the insurance company gets it's way no matter what it wants. Now they can kick you to the curb if you have a pre-exting illness or don't look like you can pay in thousands before they cancel you. Yup, that system is screwed up. But it still beats the hell out of letting Government get involved. You think it's screwed up now? Give Gov't a chance at it and it will be a nightmare.
 

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I had an Uncle that was a Vet, and he was waiting in line for his free surgery at the VA hospital. There was a 8 month waiting list, and he got bumped a few times, 16 months later, 2 weeks before he finally scheduled for the surgery he passed away due to complications. If he had any other insurance or would of paid for the surgery out of his own pocket he would be with us today. But he believed in the system. I see the same thing is going to happen to many others if we go for free medical for all in the US.
 

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I guess you've never been a resident of Canada. Ask them how they like their government health care.

Not sure what you mean, i love my health care.

My Mom was in the hospital last year (she was sick for 8 months) 1 time for 2 days, 1 time for 2 months, 1 time for 2 weeks and they had no idea what she had.
She had every test known to man, i can't count how many Ct and MRI scans and including 8 different specialized doctors.
She was in a semi-private suite and for an extra $40.00 a day we got her a private room.

The total bill was $90.00 for two ambulance charges
 

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What you really need to look at Peter, is the over all cost over a longer period of time. I like to think of things in longer terms. A short term will always see just that, a short term result. We,are not looking for short term results it the the long term results we are looking for in most things involving money! And, no bigger money spent than on health care. Although it is a good start to analyze with shorter stays, smaller amount of testing ordered, etc, but, what matters most, would be the patients whose stays can break the bank.

Peter, how is your mom doing? I really hope okay.
 
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Peter, how is your mom doing? I really hope okay.

Thank you yes she is doing a lot better now she's been back at work since December (couldn't hold her back). She still is weak a bit but 1000 times better than she was.
We ended up finding out she had Lupus which is rare for her age.
We went to the Dominican Republic and she got sick and on top of the Lupus she was sick for weeks, then something else happened and something else....
it just seemed to be one thing on top of another.
But we are now on top of her medication and starting to get rid of other medication she doesn't need anymore, so she and I are very happy we are starting to get back to normal.
Now she wants to go on a cruise in January anywhere but the Dominican.
 
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