: I was at the builders show in AC this week. Saw the Kohler Cimmiron. A very expensive toilet, toilet that can't compare to the performance of the old 1.6 plebes that I used to install. I have always been a good old CADET EL bowl person. It's reliable and a good deal. Jimmy Smith

Lastest test I see says about 225 grams of waste removal for the A/S Plebe.
The Cadet EL was moving maybe 150 grams?

I would expect the Cimmiron to do better than that, but we will see in time.

One of the top spots right now goes to the Toto Drake, 900 grams.