Re: silky or slimy?
Posted by Celeste on January 27, 2004 at 20:50:04:
In response to Re: silky or slimy?
: : : : Posted by Paul Melzer on December 20, 2003 at 08:39:52:

: : : : In Reply to: Re: Silky Water posted by qwa1989 on October 28, 2003 at 23:47:23:

: : : : : : : : Over the last month or so my wife and I have noticed our water has taken on a "silky" feeling. After showering or just washing hands, it's takes extra effort to get dry. I know this sounds strange, but something does not seem right. We have well water and use a water softner. Any thoughts? Thanks.

: : : : : : : Never have showered with water softener water, but have been told water is silky as you described. How long have you had the water softener and have you had it serviced lately?

: : : : : : This can be caused by "too soft" water because your softener is allowing to much sodium into the resin bedtank on regeneration. Try cutting back on the grains setting(ppm). This silky (know as a slimy feel) is actually your skins texture because its so clean. Without a softener, and using Hard water, your skin would feel dry, and less oily because the soap curds are not being washed off. Best to continue using the softener, but check out the settings etc on it,good luck, Hube

: : : : : Hube, water is either soft or hard and the salt dose has nothing to do with the slick or slimey feeling zero hard (soft) water produces. It's as you describe, the skin's natural oils are able to get the the surface of the skin due to the soft water cleaning the skin's pores.

: : : : : Gary
: : : : : Quality Water Associates

: : : : I have tried and tried to figure this out (I'm new to soft water and do not like the so-called "silky" feel) but no answers have been put forward on any websites I've been able to find. Firstly, soap is meant to break down and remove dirt/oil molecules, yes? Can somebody please tell me how soap suddenly becomes smart enough to know the difference between the natural body oils that have built up over a day or two's hard work and those that must remain on the skin, undisturbed (*not* broken down and washed away)?? Secondly, there *is* a point, after several minutes of rinsing, when the slimy--sorry, I mean silky--feeling is gone, when *finally* my skin feels clean (you can tell I was raised with unsoftened water). So, my next question is: at what point is the soap rinsed off? If I rinse for only a moment, the level of skiminess is very high...if I keep rinsing, the sliminess is lessened...and if I keep rinsing even longer, the sliminess is gone. Any non-marketing answers out there? Thanks in advance, PM

: : : Yes, what we grew up with is usually what we like; good or bad. That's because we don't like change. It takes about 21 days to break or create a habit. but if you're convinced you don't like something, no amount of time, facts, marketing, old wives tales etc. are going to chenge your mind, only you can do that but.. You are focused on soap. Read up on soap and hard water and any problems with that combination. The only soap I know of on the US market is Ivory. It and hard water make an insoluable curd and that will create a ring around the tub at the water line. Figure out why and you have your answer to your slippery slimy feel after using softened water. Also look up info on human skin and it's ability to produce oils and what happens when the skins pores are not cleaned. Then ask yourself how the oily pores of the skin can be cleaned with hard water and soap.

: : : Afterwards, then you can inform others that see slimy instead of soft and clean.

: : : Gary
: : : Quality Water Associates

: : Thanks (I think) for your answer, Gary. Since I've been using the softened water I've tried several different "soaps" --not Ivory, but things that are bar shaped and claim to be "soap"-- and they all react the same, save the liquid kind (sodium laurel sulfate or kin): they appear to take much more time to rinse off than with hard water. They do indeed rinse off, they just take longer. The "silky" feeling after it's finally rinsed off is not the same thing as what I would refer to as the slimy feel...I actually don't mind *that* (read, am getting used to it). So, am I imagining this or what? Does anyone here know why soap (please, I'm just refering to the bar shaped things we buy in stores to clean our skin) takes longer (or appears to take longer) to rinse off in softened water than in hard water?
: : BTW, I've asked two physicians I know back home (the typical sort who wash their hands *many* times a day) if they use softened water in their offices. They answered "no." Are their patients suffering by being touched by curd-infested hands? I guess my point is the marketing seems pretty heavy handed, really, trying to make everyone who uses hard water feel unclean and all. IMHO, of course. PM

: Call it marketing or whatever but facts are facts and you seem to be saying you can't find any other explanation than what I've given you. So keep looking and prove me wrong, hell I don't want to be teliing folks wrong info.

: ITMT, may I suggest a different type Doctor? Try a dermatologist. They are the ones the MDs refer their patients to when they have skin problems. And then ask your Doctor buds how their hands are doing in all that hard water. And look for their hand lotion bottles. Or pick up a few and read the labels looking for softeners, conditioners and that type thing. Do the same on dishwashing detergent bottles. Go to the manufacturers web sites and see what they have to say about hardwater and their products. Then prove me wrong if you can. Ask your grandmother her thoughts on the subject of hands and hard water and (real) soap.

: If you reduce the salt dose a softener uses, you reduce the capacity of the softener, not the amount of sodium, or potassium, the unit adds to the water. That is a result of the amount of ion exchange that is being done or, in common terms, how mmuch compensated hardness is being exchanged. Ex. 7.85 mg/l of sodium is added for evey 10 gpg removed. That holds true regardless of what the salt dose is, how large or small the softener is, what type of resin or who manufacturers the resin, where it is bought or what type salt is used, what color the resin is or the brand name if any of the softener. And potassium is potassium chloride, a salt substitute. The use of it instead of sodium chloride still causes the sliky, slippery or as some say, slimy feeling of not being able to dry off.

: Gary
: Quality Water Associates


I'm no expert on this subject (or any other subject for that matter), but my thought is that possibly more of the soap is getting dissolved during your wash process and therefore you are getting more soap on your skin that needs to be rinsed off. I seem to remember when we had a water softner that the bar of soap seemed to dissappear faster. Maybe it was all in my imagination...



Replies to this post