: : I'm considering buying the Kohler K-3466 San Raphael Toilet with Conceiled Trapway. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with it.

: : Kohler claims this is the *new* San Raphael with the "redesigned Ingenium Flushing System" which has the siphon jet: http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatalog/detail.jsp?item=6240102&prod_num=3466&module=Toilets
: : It's different than that older San Raphael (K-3384) which had the trapway exposed and didn't have a siphon jet.

: : My other alternative is a Toto, probably Carlyle. I really like the way this Kohler looks, though.

: : Thx,
: : Max

: Max,
: My customers have been less than thrilled with the "redesigned Ingenium Flushing System".
: For many it works fine, don't consider it a high performance solution though. It does "look" nice.
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: I have a hard time seeing any changes between their "new" and their old, other than coming up with a better marketing "tag" to give it. Whoever came up with the concept of renaming it Ingenium, is a genius.

: Kohler still uses the 2" flush valve that we have been seeing for the last 100 years instead of a 3" flush valve.

Thanks Terry. I decided to go with the Toto Carolina. Hopefully a good choice. :)

• Toto Carolina