|Posted by Poly Doctor on January 31, 19100 at 16:09:41:|
|In response to Polybutylene FACTS|
RESPONSE: You'll most likely want to replace the line near the hot water heater as hot water and the chemical in the water cause the most leaks. In fact, leaks close to the hot water heater do not even qualify within the largest class action suit. As for the pipes leaking. They generally leak where they have been installed improperly with bends that should not have been made.
There are some sites that appear to be providing you with complete information about polybutylene. Some of these are commercial sites in the poly replacement business. They tell you what they want you to know. In fact, they do not even want you to have the class action phone numbers, even though they claim to be information sites with complete information. A better name would be Poly Info Limited for these sites. When you do see them posting a class action phone number some of these sites it is generally for someone that has already missed the deadline for filing. For example, you will see them post the phone numbers for the class actions when it is an exterior line that is older than 10 years old. If it is less than 10 years old or they are not sure, they will direct you to their site and try to sell you the job for the highest price possible.
If you do not qualify for the class action suits do NOT simply let a contractor tell you there are no alternatives. We can provide you with alternative solutions, as well as a list of top contractors to get estimates from. You certainly need more than one or two estimates and several referrals. We will also tell you the questions to ask your contractor to make sure they have crews that are qualified to do the work in your home. For example, make sure you ask any contractor if he has left a job and the house caught fire from hotspots they left in the walls. This is a very key question.
Also be sure to ask all companies for a few phone numbers of the references or testimonials they show you. Don't let them select which ones if they are featured on a website. Just ask them for the names and phone numbers of the ones you want to call. You may find some surprises.
Here are some websites with additional information :
Polybutylene Information Help Site - http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/polybutyleneplumbing
Polybutylene Question and Answer Forum (NEW) - http://www.deja.com/~polybutyleneplumbing/
Consumer Plumbing Recovery Center - 800-356-3496 - www.kinsella.com/polybutylene/
Spencer Class Facility - 800-490-6997 - www.spencerclass.com/
Poly site that references Class Action Lawsuit filed by the insurance industry against the poly resin manufacturers -www.businessinsurance.com/mktplace/ad0308.html
Site with Key Dates involved in the development and problems associated with polybutylene plumbing systems - http://cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/home/pipes/chronology.html
Site with confidential documents from Shell!!! - http://tv.cbc.ca/market/files/home/pipes/memo1.html
Canadian Homeowners - www.siskind.com/classpipe.html
Canadian Homeowners - www.poynerbaxter.com/
: There have definitely been some major problems with polybutylene plumbing. If you would like to do some research as to what the problems are, make sure to check out Terry's page dedicated to Polybutylene Issues. You may also want to have a look at Polybutylene.com. In reference to your replacement materials, don't rule out CPVC or Copper. You may want to have a look at www.flowgaurdgold.com to see what type of CPVC BFGoodrich is putting out these days. Its cheaper that PEX and in my opinion much more reliable. Terry also has a section of his site that is dedicated specifically to showing the different materials available when making this decision. Look for the section at the top of the page titled Pipes.
: : While my supply pipes are copper, back in the 80's I used polybutylene for toilet and faucet connectors, as well as for a line from a supplemental water heater that supplies the dishwasher. (I set the main heater to 120 when my first kid was born.)
: : All the poly is accessible. I've not had any leaks, but recently noticed talk of the pipe itself deteriorating and bursting. If true, I want to replace. Can anyone confirm this, either way?
: : Also, I believe that PEX is one suitable replacemnt product. How about those flexible connectors that are sheathed in braided stainless steel? Would an LMP put one in a friend's house?
: : Thanks in advance for your help!
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