Zoeller Sump Pump Question

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  1. Kingface11

    Kingface11 New Member

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    Hey everyone. This is my first post here....this forum seems to have a ton of great posters and professionals!

    Here is my situation:

    I live in Maine. My sump pit is dry for the entire Summer and early Fall. When the rain comes in late fall, and early Spring the pump can go off as often as every 4 minutes or so....but then slow down after a dry week. Winter times takes a bit longer to slow up as the ground is frozen. Anyway, I have a Craftsman pedestal sump pump that I have to admit....it has been a trooper! i put that thing through the ringer and back though so I am sure it is just a matter of time before it kicks the bucket. I want to get a new sump pump and a battery backup. I was originaly going to get a Ridgid as it has that lifetime guarantee......however after searching around here and other places....I can see that is not such a great idea. I was also going to get a Watchdog backup......that seems to get favorable reviews so I still might go that route.

    I would like to get a Zoeller M53 main pump. Here are my questions:

    1) Here in Maine you can't get them anywhere. So how do I get one??

    2) I saw a few on that "popular auction site" from reputable dealers but what if something goes wrong with it?? How can I get parts or service??

    3) Should I go the "popular Auction site" route? If not how can I get one or SHOULD I get one living up here??

    4) I also saw that the only complaint is the switch. People mention a separate float switch that can attach to the discharge pipe. Should I get this?? Will it work with the M53 pump? If so what EXACTLY do I get and how much extra is it?

    5) Is a Zoeller Battery backup much better then the Watchdog?? If so...which one should I get and how much is it?

    6) If Zoeller is NOT the way to go because I live in Maine....what would be a good alternative??

    Thank you for ANY advice you can offer an I apologize for the VERY long post!!!!
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  2. Redwood

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  3. Raucina

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    You can get that pump and about everyone made by Zoeller at irawoods hardware - just do a search. You will get a headache from how many they offer and less than the auction site that is a crapshoot. Got a m53 for 153$ delivered, and in about 3 days across the country from them.

    I have 3 of these working on the switch that ONE guy said is bad, and they have millions of cycles between them. I would run it without fear.

    Saw a Simer at Sears - made in China. About the same cost - plastic. Zoeller is US made and all cast iron. Go figure.
  4. zoeller is good and bad.....

    Basement watch dogs are a joke.....

    so is Ace in the hole....


    Spend the extra money and Get the Aquanot II

    Get a Zoeller pump with out a switch.....motor only
    and put a separate switchon it....

    the Zoeller motor will literally run forever....

    its their cheap ass switch that will flood the
    basement in two years


    look at this web page for more info
    http://www.weilhammerplumbing.com/sumppumps/
  5. Kingface11

    Kingface11 New Member

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    Thanks for the replies everyone!

    Hey Mark, it was actually a post of yours that made me "see the light". I am not very technologicaly inclined. I REALLY like that setup of the Zoeller pump with that separate switch. What is the EXACT model numbers of each piece and where can I get the pump and switch?? Remember...I am up here in Maine so not too much is around me. I do not mind ordering on-line. where and what do I get?? Sorry for my ignorance.....it IS ignorance...not laziness HAHA!!

    Also...is is tough to set up. I am a very accomplished '************er'....but not a pro!! ;)....
  6. Verticle master switch

    The verticle Master switch # 10VM1-Wp is very user freindly it will probably cost you about 45 bucks.


    you try to set up the pump and back up pump so that they can so-exist in harmony with each other in that tight pit...


    the verticle master switch makes that pretty simple cause you can rotate that switch 360 Degrees on the pvc pipe to a position where it is out of the way of the Aquanot Ball

    the Aquanot is sort of top heavy so it is advied to
    lay something like a 2x4 or a piece of pvc pipe across the pit hole after
    everything is installed and secure it to the floor... with red devil anchors....


    then use wire to secure the pump and pipes comming
    out of the hole to your cross beam.....

    its not really necessary to do this if you dont want to,
    but it keeps everything nice and solid.
  7. Raucina

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    To buy: Start at Ira Woods hardware. Do a search for it. Pretty amazing source with free shipping. You can by the way use the Zoeller pump that includes the built in switch and lock that switch in the on position. Then when your auxiliary switch fails you have a quick backup. I have not had the built in switch fail, but apparently others have. All switches fail after a fairly predictable number of cycles.
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  9. Ian Gills

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    The switch on my 17 year old Zoeller had not failed, nor had the pump, when I replaced it.

    It was getting rusty.
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    I've got one thats about 25 years old and still working fine! Its good to know I'm not the only one after reading some of the other posts.
  11. Raucina

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    Just noticed that Graingers has the M53 for 139$ - What a bargain for a nice piece of American iron. With shipping and tax about the same as IRawoods hardware at 153$
  12. Ian Gills

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    Wow, it seems that this might be the right place to ask a question I have had for a long time.

    I would love one of the bronze Zoellers. They look so nice but are so expensive.

    Can someone tell me advantages to using a bronze Zoeller rather than a cast iron one? When would a bronze pump be used?
  13. Kingface11

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    Thanks a billion everyone. I am going to order a M53 from IRawoods or Graingers for sure in the next month or so. I also think I am going to bite the bullet and get the top of the line Zoeller battery backup pump also. I figure an extra $200 now will pay dividends in the long run. Thanks again for all of the great advice!!...........once I get all of this &*^% you can bet that I'll be coming back here asking everyone how the heck I install it all!!!! ;)
  14. sumppumppimp

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    The bronze pump is going to be less corrosive than the epoxy coated all cast iron model. The build up of rust on the outside of the pumps is not going to cause one problem what so ever! We have actually had customers send back their old rusted pumps that were well over 20 years old and have never seen a problem with rust getting to the inside of the pump. Visually it is not very pretty but what the heck, it's down in a pit, not on your mantel!:D
  15. Ian Gills

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    Thanks.

    So why use/sell a bronze pump? For seawater?

    Or is it to put on the mantel?

    I have never seen the answer to this question....anywhere.

    And if you do work for Zoeller, I noticed a small oil leak on my pump when it was shipped (from being turned upside down, a little had spilt out of the plastic bolt into the box). It works fine, nonetheless, but I am just not sure whether it's worth worrying about long term. Any comment?
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  16. sumppumppimp

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    With seawater, you might find more of the bronze pump in these applications, but the reason we offer it is that our competitors offer it.

    If the plastic plug was in place when you got the pump, there is no reason to worry about the small seepage of oil on the side of the pump!
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  17. Raucina

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    ZP you were posting here about a year ago? Welcome back. I sent a nomination to the website "where Americans can buy American" for Zoeller. Hope you guys really are keeping out of the orient.

    About the m53 for septic effluent: can I hang it in the tank by a tether or does it require [as shown in the instructions] to sit upon a flat bottom or block? I would guess the block causes it to not be able to ingest anything bigger than the 1/2" cutouts in the casting? Does hanging in mid tank reduce the GPM pumped?

    Thanks
  18. sumppumppimp

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    No, it doesn't reduce anything, I have had this come up before, the only thing that could happen is that the pump could "unscrew" itself from the discharge pipe.

    This has happened before because of the torque from when the pump turns on, This one guy swears he had it happen to him 3 different times over a 18 month period. Every 6 months the pump was coming off the discharge pipe????? He did end up telling me that the cord was always wrapped around the discharge pipe unlike when it was reinstalled. This was a larger pump compared to the "53".

    I really don't see anything wrong with doing that (tethering, or hanging) with the smaller pumps.
  19. Ian Gills

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    I can hear my Zoeller pumping now. Sweet sound to my ears: a slight click and an almighty gush of water from basement sump to curb.

    It just keeps on puking. But we have had inches of rain today.
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