why does my toilet drain pipe have a hole in it?

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by G60, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. G60

    G60 New Member

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    1973 Build house. I replaced my toilet today. on removing the old bowl looking down past flange into the approx 3" pvc and just above the 90 degree curve, off to the side is an approximately one inch round hole clean through the pvc . looks clean cut. Toilet had been in use for 35 years several times a day with no leak and I would have seen as it is above a finished floor. I have had no recent plumbing or any work that could have cut into the pipe. Anyone seen such a thing before? is that some is of vent? Should I worry?

    thanks for any informed thoughts on this.
  2. G60

    G60 New Member

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    adding picture.

    this is crazy. I have used a standard hand snake maybe twice on this in past 15 years, never anything caustic and I can see finished room below's ceiling not a sign whatsoever of any problem. drain2.jpg
  3. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    That might be the vent line...
  4. G60

    G60 New Member

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    cool thanks jadnashua. Have you seen anything like that before? like I said no sign of a leak from ceiling or rooms below below and that toilet has seen 20,000 -30,000 flushes by my calculations since I owned the place. It scared the living daylights out of me!
  5. cacher_chick

    cacher_chick Test, Don't Guess!

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    I would think that it is a side inlet closet bend, but the hole looks too small.
    Check to see if if there is any flow in through the hole from one of the other bath fixtures.
  6. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    I have seen a vent done with a San-T between the flange and the top of the closet bend (i.e. flange-pipe-SanT-pipe-closet bend). I haven't seen someone run the vent into the bend itself. From the photo, it seems to be at the crux of the bend, which would seem to present an opportunity for waste to accumulate in that line, which would seem to be nasty. Doesn't mean that somebody wouldn't try to do it that way, though.

    Equally-likely, and equally-problematic, I think, is the suggestion that it might be a fixture drain.
  7. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    It's hard for me to tell the sizing on that, and it seems to have an odd bend to it.
    It does look to be cast into the fitting though.
    I can't rule out a vent at this point. Normally those are 2", but in some places they can be 1.5"
  8. G60

    G60 New Member

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    Thanks for the answers. This bathroom is a powder room/half-bath and the sink is in fact to left where the hole is. I had installed the bowl last night to put a little water in it to avoid sewer gas. I have a one and a half bathroom place and was in the middle of renovating our full bath so this one leaking made me replace it right away.*
    But I intend to renovate this half bath next month as soon as I am done with our full bath, I will be pulling the toilet out again and can test flow from sink to see if builder did some hack in 1973. I don't know what I will be able to do about it since I didn't plan to open the wall s below.

    *the tank was leaking because I had a "gerber toilet nightmare" about a year ago. I had to remove the tank , got a new donut from the local hardware store and overtightened because I didn't realize gerber required a special larger non universal donut, casing in a hairline crack that now failed.
  9. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    IT appears to be a 3 x 1 1/2" side inlet 1/4 bend. The photo does not give us anything to compare with so we cannot tell its actual size.
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