what is a good submersible sump pump to buy?

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  1. phbate

    phbate New Member

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    I need to replace my submersible sump pump and I was wondering what type of make/model is the best for the money? I have a zoeller 1/3 horse ( I think its a model 53)and the switch appears to be bad. It's only 3 years old but it appears to be getting quite a bit of rust on it. My sump runs about 4 times an hour.
     
  2. Cass

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    If it's not a finished basement you can easily replace the switch and save a few $$$$$. Zoeller is in my NSHO the best.

    E mail here tell them what you need and they can get you the part zcotechnical@zoeller.com

    If the basement is finished then I recomend you replace the whole pump.
     
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  4. Dunbar Plumbing

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    That's the only pump I install for many reasons.

    If the cycles are short due to water levels in the pit, drill holes in the walls of pit to lengthen the run times so that the pump switch doesn't prematurely wear out.


    Then you can get a longer life out of the pump.

    Stay away from Flotec or Ridgid pumps.
     
  5. phbate

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    Thanks for the advice. If I drill holes in the sump pit wont it wash out the sand/dirt underneath the pit and cause issues with the foundation of the house? I have a drain that dumps into the pit and a solid fiberglass basin. One more thing, if I pour water down my basement drain it comes out at the sump pit. Is it normal to connect the basement drains into the sump pit?
     
  6. sumppumppimp

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    The switch part number is 004705 and I would also recommend a new gasket 034046. You can order these parts through our customer service at 1-800-928-7867 ext 5.

    If you do not want to mess with replacing the switch and just want to purchase a new pump, go with the model BN53. It will come with a piggyback switch and that will allow the pump to run for longer intervals because you set the switch to what ever you desire depending on your pit size!
     
  7. Dunbar Plumbing

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    Yes, but the holes I'm speaking of are like 1/8" and overkill is to set the pump in a bucket also drilled with holes to prevent the gravels from entering the pump. Nonetheless, dirt/debri gets into pits and it is unavoidable; you just do not want anything that will jam the impeller/hold the check valve open/shut. You'll have to check that bucket and clean it periodically but not everyone's situation is the same. I've had new construction homes that no matter what you do....gravel/mud/silth keeps entering the pit and will for some time as well.

    In your particular case with a solid fiberglass pit, I would follow ZP's lead on the BN53.

    I've set pumps on bricks to catch the best range of the float switch to achieve the longest running cycles possible to prolong the life of the switch. The pump itself can last for 13 to 18 years no problem in the right conditions. I've removed them STILL working at that age.

    I installed one at an apartment complex once that had a 8 minute run time due to the setting of the pump in the pit.
     
  8. Master Plumber Mark

    Master Plumber Mark Master Plumber

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    I have issues with the Zoeller pump..

    you can almost bet that the switch will fail on them in

    less than a two year period.... then its a real pain to break

    down that pump to change out that switch.......

    and thats usually after it has flooded out the

    really pissed off customers house.......


    The Zoeller pump itself will run forever,
    its just that shitty switch design.......

    So for about another 35 bucks,
    I buy the pump only without the switch and then
    clamp on my own verticle SJE switch on the pvc pipe


    it gives it a much wider range of pump capacity
    and its a much more reliable switch....

    so I am pretty sure no one is going to be calling me
    at 3 am some morning screaming about their 1 year old
    zoeller pump failing.....

    they can always plug the motor in to direct power
    and wait till about 9 in the morning when the calavary
    will finally arrive,,,

    because I am not comming at 3 am.
     
  9. plumber1

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    Went through the stuff with the Zoller sump too. Started using Hydromatic sump pumps and had a whole lot less trouble with the float switch.
     
  10. Master Plumber Mark

    Master Plumber Mark Master Plumber

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    the hydromatic pump with the

    diaphram switch was the only brand that I installed for years

    then recently in a batch of 12 of them I bought I had

    dead motors in 7......adn I have a few others jsut die and quit

    on me that were in only a year or so.......

    something going on withthe quality that I dont like....



    I dont know what happened to their quality,

    (probably something to do with subbing out to mexico)



    So, I took the bull by the horns and just made

    up my "personal best" pump combination

    and its working out pretty good...
     
  11. sumppumppimp

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    We sell about 35,000 of these pumps each month, that's a little over 400,000 (53) pumps a year. On average our pumps last anywhere from 5-8 years with many many pumps lasting over 15 years.

    Every application is going to be different and that is why some fail sooner than others! More than half the time the weep hole is not drilled causing the pump to burn up, the other half the time the pit is not the recommended 18"X24" minimum causing the pump to short cycle and burn up.

    The switch is rated for a minimum of 100,000 start, stop times.

    ZP
     
  12. Master Plumber Mark

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    my experience with them

    the zoeller pump is about the best pump
    made , but they still have that flaw....

    and it amazes me that they have not improved
    the way their pump is designed.....

    I got to buy my own and make my own up.......

    If ZOELLER would go to a two wire system instead of what they
    presently have...they would sell like hot-cakes.....



    the switch is nothing but trouble and can
    really get you into hot water with t he customer


    I have always wondered if possibly a power surge
    or power comming on and off in the home
    while the unit is pumping could possibly pit the metal on
    that crummey micro-metal switch at a faster rate...



    it really peeves me when one only last 2 years
    and its always the switch....

    in my opinion 5 -8 years isnt good enough...

    I dont care what that stupid switch is rated at....

    I am the dummey that has to go down in the nice basement with
    hip waders on and has to change out a 2 year old pump......
     
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  13. Cass

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    If the switch is rated at 100,000 cycles then that is 1 cycle every 10 minuets 24/7/730 days or 2 years
     
  14. Bob NH

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    One reason pump companies like the diaphragm switches is that it makes it more likely that someone will buy a new pump when the switch fails. I have yet to see a good engineering reason to have a narrow range diaphragm switch integral to the pump.

    You can buy a mercury float switch that will have extremely long life and if it fails before the pump fails, you just put on a new switch and plug the pump into the back of the plug.

    If there is a good reason for a diaphragm switch, such as to work where there is trash, then that switch could be separate with the plug-back connector that is used with float switches.
     
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    You wouldn't believe how many installers (plumbers for sure) don't know to drill that hole to prevent air lock.


    New construction plumbers are the worst for not doing that. Let's just say I would imagine it is their hourly help. Nooooooooooooooooobies.


    Hey ZP, any clogged drains due to roots yet??
     
  16. sumppumppimp

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    So far so good, I really appreciate you helping me out! That stuff seems like it is worth its weight in gold!
     
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    [/QUOTE]in my opinion 5 -8 years isnt good enough...

    I dont care what that stupid switch is rated at....

    I am the dummey that has to go down in the nice basement with
    hip waders on and has to change out a 2 year old pump......[/QUOTE]

    Mark,

    Just to let you know, we appreciate guys like you!

    Also just curious, how long should something that is mechanical and man made last when no two applications are the same, in your opinion?
     
  18. Bob NH

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    Zoellerpump: Also just curious, how long should something that is mechanical and man made last when no two applications are the same, in your opinion?

    I have a Walker-Turner drill press in my shop that is about 70 years old that is working fine and I don't expect it to fail. My Craftsman wood lathe is more than 50 years old and still works. I saw an old mine-water pump in Germany a few years ago that was still working after about 150 years.
     
  19. sumppumppimp

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    And these are turned on and used for 30 seconds and then turned off , lets say every 15 minutes of the day, some more than others? If you could do this with your drill press every 15 minutes how long would the switch last you? Do you think your switch on your lathe has been started 100,000 times?
     
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  20. Master Plumber Mark

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    Mark,

    Just to let you know, we appreciate guys like you!

    Also just curious, how long should something that is mechanical and man made last when no two applications are the same, in your opinion?[/quote]




    would 5 years be too much to ask for???? I never get it with your normal pump.

    all i am saying is i have literally bought hundreds of
    hydromatic pumps with the diaphram switches on them
    and all have done very well

    only recently have i had issues with them

    your Zoeller reps in this region could care less what i got to say,

    even though they KNOW that they lost out on probably 500 pumps
    since 91 they simply dont care one bit at all

    i feel any moron could improve on your pump, it would not
    an enjeneer with a degree from MIT to figure out what needs
    to be improved upon...

    I am nothing but a dumb ass plumber and have already made
    your pump better, becasue Zoeller would not

    I understand that you are in the business to sell pumps and as many as you can so i guess its bad for business if you make one that is never going to break down inthe next 10 years..


    I dont like a pump to only last 2 years,

    I dont like to have to breakdown a water proof seal on
    either a sump pump or a shit pump just to change out those
    crummey micronite switches you have on them....

    and all you got to do is tackle one nasty
    2 year old shit pump switch change out and
    you will KNOW what i am talking about


    I dont like customers mad at me when their basement floods
    and all they had to do was hit the pipe to jarr the damm switch thing
    to make it pump.....


    I dont like the pump intergrated into the switch and the damm thing
    wont come on at 2 in the morning and i have to go out and rescue
    the customer ....the two wire system can save the day .....
    and you already know why....


    Zoeller has written off lots of business because of this fatal flaw...
    and I guess they are so big that they dont care...

    I dont feel the love or appreciation at all for all my r+d, :( :(



    look at all the free advertisement I give you guys and I dont even
    get a damn tee shirt for it.....
    http://weilhammerplumbing.com/sumppumps/

    it really hurts me, deep.......lol
     
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  21. sumppumppimp

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    Hey Mark,

    I have searched your website about a year ago when I first became a member here and I liked it, I even showed it to a few coworkers of and of course we appreciate everything you do for us!

    Send me a PM with your address and what shirt size you wear, I'll take care of you with more than just a shirt.

    Don't believe me, Rugged can vouch for me!;)

    FYI, We do offer the switch that you like so much!

    http://www.zoeller.com/zcopump/products/controlaccess/vlfspig.htm

    ZP
     
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