What are the best undersink shutoff valves

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice, Tips & ' started by usckww, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. usckww

    usckww New Member

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    I hate the shut-off valves typically installed, and want to have mine replaced. Are there any that are similar to a house main shut off? 1/4 turn, never leak? Suggestions?
  2. Verdeboy

    Verdeboy In the Trades

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    Yes, they now make 1/4 turn shutoffs for under the sink. That's all I use now.
  3. usckww

    usckww New Member

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    Can you recommend a brand, model # etc?
    thanks
  4. Verdeboy

    Verdeboy In the Trades

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    I just get whatever they sell at the local hardware stores. Perhaps, the plumbing pros can give you a specific brand name.
  5. Herk

    Herk Plumber

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    I've seen a lot of failures in the quarter-turn valves, and can not yet say with authority which are best. Although they're similar in construction to ball valves, I've seen them leak through the stems when turned and I've seen them leak when shut off. A week ago I was working with customer-supplied ball stops that wouldn't shut off, but were brand new.

    There are higher-quality ones made but they're seldom available because most suppliers stock based upon cost rather than quality.

    And there's no reason that you can't install quality ball valves with an adapter for faucets, except for cosmetic reasons.
  6. Basement_Lurker

    Basement_Lurker One who lurks

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    I prefer to use Dahl mini ball valves for just about every application. But I am not sure if you can get access to them. I know Brasscraft makes similar products and they are a pretty solid manufacturer.
  7. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    My HD sells several brands, but Brasscraft is one of them. If you look in their catalog, they make a huge variety at various price points. Some are available in finishes other than chrome as well.
  8. cwhyu2

    cwhyu2 Consultant

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    I have used brasscraft 1/4 turn are good.
  9. construct30

    construct30 New Member

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    I had some of the reqular old type valves back when they first switched to plastic stems that leaked out the handle. They just drilled a bit too deep into the stem for the handle screw, that has nothing to do with the quarter turn. It was even a good brand that I get from my supply house, just a bad run, was a pain to deal with, I had a box and more than half of them were like that. I bought valves at a chain store for a while after that. I love the quarter turns, brass craft are common and good.
  10. westcoastplumber

    westcoastplumber Plumbing Contractor

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    I use 1/4 turn brasscraft angle stops, never have a leak, no packing to worry about, I have no problem giving a warrenty on them.

    I have never had one fail yet......:D
  11. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    LOL... I hope your keyboard's made out of wood!
  12. BAPlumber

    BAPlumber Plumber

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    I've never seen a problem with a 1/4 turn angle stop, other than installation error. i've worked almost exclusivley in service the last 5 years and have never seen a problem except with the ferull/nut connection.
  13. BAPlumber

    BAPlumber Plumber

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    for those who have seen problems, I'd like to know what they found.
  14. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    The only problems I have heard of are that they are difficult to sweat and prone to failure following that.

    Consequently I use compression or "screw on" where my two nipples allow me to do so. :)
  15. Herk

    Herk Plumber

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    From the first time I saw 1/4 turn stops, I started seeing leaks through the stem and no way to tighten them. A week or so ago I had to disconnect some to work on a pedestal. They had been supplied by the HO and I don't know the brand. They would not shut off all the way.

    I'd be interested in trying the new Watts 1/4 turn with the sharkbite-type connection to the water line. Or maybe I'd just be compounding problems?
  16. construct30

    construct30 New Member

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    I've used sweat, compression and FIP quarter turns in watts and brass craft only ever had one leak around the stem packing. One thing I don't like is when they don't give you a full nut at the base for your wrench when you are in a tight location.
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