Wayne pumps. Good-Bad? What do you recommend for Submersible Deep Well

Discussion in 'Pumps and Tanks Well Forum & Blog' started by hygron, Jan 31, 2010.

  1. hygron

    hygron New Member

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    I need a new 1/2hp or 3/4 hp submersible pump for my Deep Well. I currently have a flotec, and want to buy a more reliable brand. Please post your opinions asap; As I have been without water for 3 days until last night when we got a hose over from neighbor. 1 shower later. I feel better. ;)

    I have a line on a Wayne pump 3/4hp 3 wire 230v around $225. I can buy pumps at local bigbox stores for $325. and up.

    Thanks folks.
  2. cacher_chick

    cacher_chick Test, Don't Guess!

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    The brands I would be looking for are Grundfos, Goulds, or Flint & Walling. It's hard to beat a pump with a Franklin motor.

    You would be better off dealing with a plumbing supply house than a big box store if you want a decent pump.

    If you find replacing the pump an easy and enjoyable task that you wouldn't mind repeating, then I guess a Wayne would be fine. :eek:
  3. hygron

    hygron New Member

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    I can get a Little Giant/Franklin @ Sears for 300-400.

    I am contacting commercial vendors tomorrow.

    In my particular case, setting a pump is not that tedious. Enjoyable; No. On the other hand. My last "Flotec" pump, and you said it, "crap" lasted 7 years. It cost $40 plus cost of pump; $300, to fix the well then. So how much do I save by spending several hundred more on a commercial brand pump. I have read that the average lifespan of a pump is 7 years; However I also read that one of the "Masters" here has a pump going 12 years.
    Which is the norm/average? Just curious. Money is tight. Oh yeah, You probably know that :) Thanks for your input.
  4. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    My Goulds 1/2 hp sub has been down the hole for over 25 years now.
  5. RayMan

    RayMan Shared Well Services

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    You may want to consider the new Constant Pressure Submersible Pump as an option. I know the Franklin Electric models have the features of their PumpTec Pump Saver built right into the system. To learn more about the Franklin pump go to this link: http://www.constantpressure.com/
    If I recall you had a lot of other work to do rebuilding your system and running new pipe. Sounds like you have the time to zero in on a few pumps you want then shop them online, prices will vary pending which model and most offer 2-3 day shipping with USPS Priority Mail for about $15. Try using the Google Shopping Search, just enter the Mfg and model number or marketing name of the pump and click shopping in the upper left of the Google search bar. Just remember if its to good to be true it probably is. I have purchased accessories, never a pump at fair prices from this place which is on the east coast http://www.aquascience.net/
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  6. hygron

    hygron New Member

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    Thanks to everyone for the great support. I think if I had to buy now I would buy a LittleGiant with Franklin motor from Sears, here. I have pretty much been shopping online exactly how you describe. I just did know for sure which brands would be worth buying over others. However. I am looking into getting a new pump head to replace the bad one, if that is cost effective.

    Another note. Don't know how long it will last, but We tested the old "Aermotor" pump that was removed on bad advice when the original pipe with threads broke off. It tested good, and spews water on benchtest.

    You folks have been great. Will keep you posted, and then I have to peruse other areas of this great community in order to get some confirmed info for several other projects I need to DIY

    Peace, hygron
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2010
  7. valveman

    valveman Moderator Staff Member

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    That constantpressur.com web site is a neat gimmick. It doesn't really show you anything about how that system works, or all the problems. The Franklin Sub-Drive and Mono-Drive are already obsolete. There are several other manufacturers who now have variable speed controllers that are less expensive, and do 10 times more things than the Franklin system. However, even these newer variable speed systems are made obsolete by the simple Cycle Stop Valve. The CSV will deliver better constant pressure, is less expensive, more reliable, longer lasting, and doesn't have all the negative side effects of variable speed controllers.

    Using a variable speed unit for these types of systems is a "myth-application". It is a myth that variable speed pumps can save energy, or make pumps last longer. This myth has caused many people to fall for Variable Speed Pumps even though they increase energy consumption, decrease the life of the pump system, cause electrical problems elsewhere in the house, and have many other problems. Variable Speed Pumps where designed to make money for the manufacturers. They cost a lot and don't last very long. Any company who says variable speed pumps save energy is lying, just to get your money.

    People who understand how pumps work, know that a CSV reduces the amp draw exactly like varying the pump speed. They also know the CSV makes pumps last longer and use smaller pressure tanks. This is why companies push their variable speed pumps with catchy web pages like constantpressur.com, instead of promoting Cycle Stop Valves. It is all about getting as much of your money as they can. Do a little more research before you let a myth-understanding cause you to make a myth-application, that can cost you a myth-appropriate amount of money.

    Here are some links to people who understand this.

    http://www.berryhillirrigation.com

    http://www.polydrip.com/vendors.php

    http://growerssolution.com/page/GS/PROD/csv1z

    http://www.precisionpump.net/cyclestop.html

    http://www.roguevalleypump.com/pages/whatwedo/pumps/cyclestop.html

    http://www.schaeferbrospump.com/constantvalves.html

    http://wellwaterinuse.com/cyclestopvalve-csv1w.aspx

    http://www.ballardwaterwell.com/

    http://www.kentuckyirrigation.com/

    http://www.willeywelldrilling.com/results.php3?cat=CYCLE STOP

    http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehp//dw/DesignManual/chapter11.DOC

    http://www.rapidrain.com/faq.html

    http://www.kiesupply.com/vendorlist_irrigation.php

    http://asae.frymulti.com/abstract.asp?aid=10157&t=2

    http://wcsmfg.com/construction.html

    http://www.dwwater.com/?p=13

    http://www.mastgroup.net/mastirrigation/Lush_Lawns/commercial.html

    www.wellmanager.com/pdf/HCBSS-210-EFMultiUnitSystems.pdf
  8. hygron

    hygron New Member

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    OK. I have a flow pressure valve inline to my greenhouse so the flow of water is consistent to the Mix tank, and allows me to blend the concentrate with the flow, to arrive at a scheduled ppm range.

    Looks like the same thing. Brass casing, adjustment bolt in top. What is the difference.
  9. valveman

    valveman Moderator Staff Member

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    The one to your greenhouse is a pressure regulating valve, the CSV is a Constant Pressure Pump Control Valve. The two are very close but, no cigar. If you had a CSV controlling the pump to your green house, it would do both jobs, and you wouldn't need the pressure regulator.
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