Wax Ring w/ bell/flange

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  1. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    I like to use wax rings that have the plastic funnel/flange/bell built into them. Seem to provide a more straightforward installation.

    Will using one of these compromise the flushing power of a Toto toilet? -which I plan on buying soon
     
  2. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    The outlet of the Toto trayway is 2-1/8"

    The inner horn of the wax ring is larger then that.
     
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  4. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    arent there Totos with 3" trapways??
     
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    amat_plumb New Member

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    and where/how can I buy one anyway


    in the GTA area , Ontario, Canada??
     
  6. Gary Swart

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    Do not use wax rings with bell flanges. They frequently cause problems and are totally unnecessary.
     
  7. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    No.
    Toto makes toilets with 3" flush valves.
    That's the part that the flapper attaches to, and goes between tank and bowl.

    The only toilet with a 3" trapway is made in Australia by Caroma.
    They can't use a siphon on the flush, the trap is too large.
    They need to use a "wash down" flush.

    A trap larger then 2-1/8" is very hard to siphon.
    That's why the Caroma uses washdown.

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    Toto Drake with siphon jet flush.
    The flush valve from the tank to the bowl is 3"
    The outlet of the trap is 2-1/8"
     
  8. krow

    krow Plumber

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    Dupont Plumbing Supply, or Bath In Style carry Toto or any designer type fixture store.
     
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  9. SteveW

    SteveW DIY Senior Member

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    Terry - your explanation really helps. The siphon jet design explains why I have noticed my Toto Ultramax II seems to "suck" waste out of the bowl, like a commercial airplane's toilet, rather than "push" it down like a washdown toilet. I never realized that difference before.

    The Toto 3" flush valve/2 1/8" trap design works GREAT. Can handle just about anything a human can produce without hiccuping.
     
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