water softener tank

Discussion in 'Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and r' started by monkeybrains, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. monkeybrains

    monkeybrains New Member

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    I am purchasing a water softener and I have the option to go with a tank with gravel in the bottom or a tank called vortech that doesnt use the gravel. The price is the same for either one, is one better than the other.
  2. Akpsdvan

    Akpsdvan In the Trades

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    I my self would go with the standard type tank.
    There is some thing about the vortech tank set up that just does not work for me, the main reason is that if the distributor fails for what ever reason and a new distributor is needed the whole tank needs to be replaced where with the older style the tank stays and the distributor is replaced at a fraction of the cost.
  3. biermech

    biermech Previous member

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    I came across a vortech tanks a few weeks ago. The customer was complaining about resin in the house. Come to find out the tube broke free from the distributor. Upon close inspection I found that the tube was not glued just snapped in. I say, don't waste your money on the vortech.
  4. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    IMO the best is the normal separate distributor tube and gravel underbed as opposed to a one piece tank like the vortex. You usually won't get the reduced backwash water volume etc. etc. that they sell you on.

    And if the dealer is selling you the regular tank and gravel, he is overcharging you because the Vortex should cost him more, or at least it cost me more when I was in business. That included the shipping cost of gravel etc.
  5. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    The vortex will give you slightly better resin efficiency but, for all the reasons others have listed above I would go with a gravel underbed.
  6. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    I've never heard of resin efficiency, what do you mean?
  7. Akpsdvan

    Akpsdvan In the Trades

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    I am going to have a flat forehead before this is all said and done.

    All that one has to do is go to the Vortech from Enrss web site to see the press release and the build up of the innovative bottom distribution system... their words..........
  8. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    I visited there many times so I finally downloaded their videos a couple years ago but they don't mention "resin efficiency". Do you know what resin efficiency is? I think Wally made it up.
  9. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    The ENPRESS Vortech™ and
    Mid-Vortech™ distribution technologies are revolutionizing the water treatment industry. The design creates fluidity of the media bed and extends contaminant removal capacity; which means less regenerations and significant reduction of water use…saving water, salt and the environment, with backwash flow rate reductions of at least 30%. So it’s easy to go green and make a lot of green at the same time. Plus, with Vortech™ and Mid-Vortech™ eliminate gravel and hub & lateral assembly, reducing overall cost and shipping weight. Mid-Vortech™ eliminates the need for a second media tank system, by combining two medias into one tank and keeping them physically separated, reducing overall system cost and backwash water usage, with the elimination of redundant equipment.


    Those claims relating to resin efficiency are in bold print. I see little has changed around here and suspect that since the above does not specifically state "resin efficiency" that the usual BS argument will ensue, however just to be clear here I did indeed interpret the print above to mean "resin efficiency" Anyone that does not agree with my interpretation is certainly free to interpret it any way they wish.
    * ADS
  10. biermech

    biermech Previous member

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    This is agitating plain and simple.
  11. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    You must mean resin life. Anyway, IMO most of their claims are not going to be met out in the field and that's why I say the same as you and AK that a regular tank and DT and gravel is the best choice.

    An iron or H2S filter is not redundant to a softener and if the Vortex compartment version tank has a problem with needing the lower minerals to be replaced you replace the whole tank. That's not a good thing and certainly doesn't lead to "resin efficiency".
  12. 6266aew

    6266aew New Member

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    been a water treatment dealer for 20 years, the vortech tank is the best filter tank I have ever sold, thats all we use for filters and water softeners.
  13. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    It is a good product and does as advertised. Peter was spot on as usual. Lol
  14. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    Peter. You said it perfectly. As to the vortech tank. Awesome product but is it worth the premium cost? The efficiency claims are questionable at best and I would not recommend shipping built units due the problem stated earlier. I prefer the standard gravel underbed design. I am not a fan of the vortech in anti scale systems.. I prefer the specialized upflow bottom screens. Either way you will do just fine.
  15. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    I miss Peter. Smart guy lol
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