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Wow I haven't been on this forum in years and it seems like yesterday I had this very same debate with Gary. Funny how some things never change. Rockman for a DIY'er you have done pretty good. Ditto's accurate on this post a 7000 should preform good for your needs. I sell mostly Clack products but that's a preference because you don't have internet dealers undercutting your prices and providing consumers with undersized, oversized, or outdated equipment lines. I would add how many product lines did Pentair launch that sunk like a boat full of holes due to direct to consumer sales by internet sales people selling the DIY guy equipment better suited for commercial application? The Merlin comes to mind. I've also seen a lot of the 9000's oversized that people purchased through less than reputable online dealers. I even had a home owner that had a two bath home with a hot tub and a pretty prominent online dealer sold him a 120k 2900 Fleck. He was less than happy when he found how much more he spent on an oversized system he really didn't need.
 

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Uh oh, you are a certified water specialist. Gary wont be happy with that. Some things never change...

As to the Clack valves, they have done a great job with marketing and getting rid of the online resellers. many of our larger customers feel the same way and they buy Clack from us for that same reason. Fleck has started to go the same route with the newer product lines. Clack, Fleck, Autotrol, all are awesome product lines manufactured by top tier companies. you really cant go wrong with any of these manufacturers.

FYI, CWS VI, CI, :)
 

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Wow I haven't been on this forum in years and it seems like yesterday I had this very same debate with Gary. Funny how some things never change.

And after all those years, here you are showing up in this thread at this time to just pile on me. BTW, this is the second version (circa 2004) of Terry's forum and I have been here since just after he started his first forum.

Rockman for a DIY'er you have done pretty good. Ditto's accurate on this post a 7000 should preform good for your needs. I sell mostly Clack products but that's a preference because you don't have internet dealers undercutting your prices and providing consumers with undersized, oversized, or outdated equipment lines. I would add how many product lines did Pentair launch that sunk like a boat full of holes due to direct to consumer sales by internet sales people selling the DIY guy equipment better suited for commercial application? The Merlin comes to mind. I've also seen a lot of the 9000's oversized that people purchased through less than reputable online dealers. I even had a home owner that had a two bath home with a hot tub and a pretty prominent online dealer sold him a 120k 2900 Fleck. He was less than happy when he found how much more he spent on an oversized system he really didn't need.

Jeremy.... Pentair is a holding company that has bought up MANY companies over the last 20+ years. They don't manufacture any products.

Questions, are your trying to tell us that you don't buy any products online? How about that you don't do DIY type stuff around your house?

Hasn't the Water Quality Association (WQA) taught you how to compete with internet dealers? Anything about not everyone that lives in your advertising area is your potential customer?

I gotta say, although you are a bit shaky, I appreciate the non childish (ditto way) you've presented yourself. Please come back every few years just to let us know you're still around.
 

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Gary just because it's not your idea doesn't mean it's wrong. The best way to resolve any problem is to have a large amount of ideas and then narrow them down to the most feasible. Plus I don't give out advice that I wouldn't apply to my own home.
 

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Dang, the troll spray didnt work. I guess we need the industrial strength stuff.

FYI, Jeremy comes with exceptional knowledge and credentials. He has been an active proponent of the water treatment industry for many years and brings actual knowledge based on years of experience. Those that troll around and hate people who have insurance, certifications, licenses, education, and field experience seem to get very jealous of anyone who is on this forum offering good advice. It is sad to see a simple question get turned into a multi page trolling mostrosity, I thought this had ended a month ago. I guess someone just cant help themselves.

And Tom, it wasnt "online dealers" that made Clack enforce their rules, it was a "BAD" online dealer, and I think we all know who I am referring to.
 

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Well folks, for more insight into Jeremy's reason to be here, and how wild his ideas can get....

https://terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?53092-Can-I-drain-my-softener-into-a-nearby-bathtub



I see nothing of contreversy here at all. It sounds like a very reasonable and proper way to do it. Remodelling a room for a different application is not a difficult or unusual thing to do. if the room no longer needs a bathtub, then why not get rid of it, re-do the drain to code for a softener, and regain the additional space that was lost to the tub. How is this "wild"? Oh yeah, its called trolling...
 

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Well yes, I do understand your point. I was attempting to be diplomatic LOL but then I'm just a broken down and bitter old man in my 50's. living off the swett of my father LOL. Never mind that my dad retired from the business and handed it to me 30 some years ago and I have since handed it to my brother oh, and its been very profitable since day one and remains so today.
 

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FYI, Jeremy comes with exceptional knowledge and credentials. He has been an active proponent of the water treatment industry for many years and brings actual knowledge based on years of experience.

I guess you know Jeremy personally and can vouch for him.

Jeremy's exceptional knowledge! Telling someone with the handle of Amateur Plumber to remove a bathtub so he can use the drain line for his softener is just dumb.

The answer to his question of using the tub for his regeneration water is YES he can. And if he keeps/stops the end of the drain line a couple inches above the rim of the tub, it should meet code. And if it didn't who cares unless the tub doesn't drain well or he is going to have to have things inspected.

Those that troll around and hate people who have insurance, certifications, licenses, education, and field experience seem to get very jealous of anyone who is on this forum offering good advice. It is sad to see a simple question get turned into a multi page trolling mostrosity, I thought this had ended a month ago. I guess someone just cant help themselves.

And Tom, it wasnt "online dealers" that made Clack enforce their rules, it was a "BAD" online dealer, and I think we all know who I am referring to.

There you go with more of your gossiping.... and personally attacking me.

I have a copy of Clack's distributor contract that shows there were no "rules" against online/internet sales of their valves. It says if there was a problem with a dealer, the distributor supplying said dealer was to educate the dealer as to how to conduct business and if s/he refused to, to refuse to sell him equipment using Clack valves. From their first effort to prevent online sales in early July 2005 (all but 5 yrs after the introduction of the WS-1), until the spring of 2010, all but 10 years after the introduction of their WS1 valve, Clack did nothing about enforcing that "rule" and then decided to prevent everyone from selling Clack valves online.

Question, why would Clack do that IF it was all due to one BAD dealer as you (and other WQA members) say?

Also, since you claim to be a distributor of Clack valves, whip out your contract and copy/paste and post the "rules" you are talking about. Show a date before Feb 1 2010 so we are talking about the same contract.
 

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I don't believe it was one bad dealer but it was enough bad dealers that clack shut Internet sales down. I suppose we could get into a pissing match over who was the worst of the bad dealers but only clack would have that information and it seems like they have better things to do than play childish games.
 

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So many years later and he still cant get over it. LOL!

I started to respond to the troll, then I remebered to not feed them. :)
 

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Well lets do some math, 36 posts and 11 of them ar actually on topic. LOL.

That's about normal here

For those keeping records, the train goes off the track at post#13
 

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What others LOL.

Oh I see, the motor home thing LOL. Oh well, at least nobody's calling you a burn up old man with a drinking problem LOL
 
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Installation went fine. Seems to be functioning according as planned. I'm glad I didn't go the big box store option. Thanks again for all the help!
 

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That's a nice unit and the installation looks clean. Nice job and good luck.
 
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