Water Heater Bricks,help?

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice' started by CastingC, Sep 20, 2008.

  1. CastingC

    CastingC New Member

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    The tech is going to put 4 Bricks under our water heater for support. Is that acceptable?
    And they are making me sign a paper saying that they will not be responsible for damage, if the bricks crack... Is that normal?
    Thanks so much for you help.
  2. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    It's often a good idea to raise the WH on bricks if moisture could cause rust on the bottom. I think it would be rare to have a brick break down enough to impact a WH.
  3. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    bricks

    IF they are the plumber's bricks, then he is responsible, period. Tell him to use better bricks.
  4. Marty 1

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    Hi: Here in California, code requires straps around the water heater to keep it upright in case of a earthquake. Strap your heater to the wall, that way even if a brick cracks or crumbles the heater won't fall over. Marty
  5. cheap bricks...???

    What exactly is supposed to make the bricks crack??

    That is really being a worry-wart...makeing you sign something
    stateing that they are not responsible if the bricks crack.


    why not put 2x4s under the heater??

    they wont crack...
  6. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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    Why just 4 bricks? Why not make it 8 bricks?
  7. Cass

    Cass Plumber

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    I say get a brick layer to come and mortar them all together...that should do the trick...
  8. Basement_Lurker

    Basement_Lurker One who lurks

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    If the installer is going to use bricks as part of his/her installation, then he should warranty them as part of his/her installation.

    If you are getting paranoid, then I suppose you may as well put a patio slab under there. And Marty 1's suggestion of using earthquake straps (a requirement here (although nobody ever actually uses them)) is an excellent added precaution (but way overkill).
  9. Cass

    Cass Plumber

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    Understanding Materials: Masonry

    Brick manufacturing today follows fundamental procedures pioneered centuries ago. However, better knowledge of raw materials and their properties, better control of firing and improved kiln designs have resulted in a superior product. The production of bricks centers around the type of clay that is used. Clays occur in three forms (Surface Clays, Fire Clays & Shales). Although they share similar chemical compositions, they will differ in their physical characteristics. All properties of brick are affected by the composition of the raw materials and the manufacturing processes. Essentially brick are produced by: (1) mixing ground clay with water, (2) forming them into desired shapes, (3) then drying and firing them. Establishing a homogenous blend is necessary before subjecting the mixture to one of three forming processes (Stiff–Mud, Soft–Mud or Dry–Press). Next, the process continues with drying, firing and cooling. Kiln firing temperatures during manufacturing graduate from 400°F to 2400°F.

    Hardness of Bricks •There are many different types of brick (Building, Facing, Hollow, Paving, Ceramic Glazed and Thin Brick), and different scales of hardness. The strength of a unit is used to determine its durability and cutability. Both compressive strength and absorption are affected by properties of the clay, method of manufacturing and degree of firing. Most bricks have a strength ranging from 3,000 PSI to over 20,000 PSI, with the average being around 10,000 PSI.•Brick may also include different size, type and volume of aggregates to further strengthen the mix.
  10. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    Can you believe how much mileage 4 bricks has gotten here? Jeeze Louise it's 4 lousy bricks.
  11. Cass

    Cass Plumber

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    I have seen 15 Yr. old heaters on 3 bricks...the bricks should be fine as long as it is balanced well and no one dances on the top of the heater.
  12. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    4 bricks

    Think of it this way. At least it is keeping them busy and stopping a lot of assine answers to other questions.
  13. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    Yea, and now I know all I ever wanted to know about bricks. :D
  14. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    This one may get more replies than Master Plumber 101's unions thread...:eek:

    I think I'll install my next one using marbles to hold it up off the floor! Sheeeeeeeesh!
  15. you all got bricks on your brain

    I just went out and installed a 40 gallon Lovchinvar.
    in an office basement .just came back home to check the news


    the old one was sitting on 3 bricks and was about
    as wobbly as a leaf in the wind....with no pan and
    nothing to direct it to the drain...


    I took the 3 bricks out and threw them into the corner
    behind the furnace...


    and installed the heater in an Otay 24 inch plastic pan
    and put the drain over into the sump pump pit and ran the
    T+P valve over into the pit too.....




    it was much more solid sitting dierctly on the floor

    Am I a bad person????.









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    Last edited: Sep 22, 2008
  16. Cass

    Cass Plumber

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    You are as bad as they come...I am turning you in to the brick makers union for putting someone out of a job...:)

    And the EPA for illegally dumping bricks...don't you know it will eventually end up in our drinking water...
  17. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    heater

    Unless a leaking water heater could cause damage, seldom the situation in a basement, it does not need a pan. And if the safety valve discharge pipe does not run to a drain, it can cause much more damage than most leaking heaters.
  18. pans are necessary everywhere....


    HJ... water heater pans are my ..........mantra........

    the heater I took out had leaked through the wall of this basement and got the carpet in next office over fairley wet....

    nothing ever wants to run to the floor drain probably becasue the drain was roughed in too high or the concrete guys dont know how to make fall to the drain.......



    I have actually gotten calls from people 7 years after the fact trying to get me to clean their flooded basements.and they were not even the original people that I put the heater in for!!! ...

    the basement was unfinished when we installed the
    heater 7 years ago, but since then it was sold and finished.!!!!....

    and now I am the dirty SOB that did not put a pan in....

    and I should be held responsible for something they did not want installed 7 years ago

    So I generally just install one and charge for it and claim that its code..... (which it is)

    then they cant come crying to me


    does that make me a bad person????
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