wanting to move toilet over a few feet

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by tjetson, Oct 10, 2009.

  1. tjetson

    tjetson New Member

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    Hi,

    Could someone give me some advice on moving this toilet rough in to the location that is in green. I will be eliminating the one thats in red.
    The angle of the back water valve is throwing me off.

    thanks alot

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  2. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    You'll need to chip out more concrete...if you angle it in the way you've shown, you'll have constant clogs...the pipe needs to angle into the flow, not away from it.
  3. tjetson

    tjetson New Member

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    so what you are saying is chip out more concrete and move the back water valve further back so i can get a better angle to bring up a new 90 for the tiolet?
  4. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Yes...but verify with the pros...The way you have it drawn, you'd be trying to force the flush upstream...it would have to stop and then turn around, which won't work well.
  5. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes, that is the most confusing setup for plumbing I have ever seen.
    I think the plumbers here don't even want to comment, it's that bad.

    Waste should run downhill, with gradual bends if any at all.
  6. dcelite

    dcelite Plumber

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    You will still need a vent for the new toilet. If you change that 3" wye to a double wye, you can put a 45 on it to create a combo towards the new toilet and then add whichever bend will direct it towards the new location (60,45,22). But, you'll need a vent. Maybe a picture of the whole room would help.

    DC
  7. tjetson

    tjetson New Member

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    I decided to hire a plumber to fix this.

    He shows up about 30 minutes late, comes in cuts out the back water valve and hits the water supply pipe. water is shooting everywhere We call the city to shut off the water supply they come in about 15 minutes he says he is going to goto Home Depot to grab some parts to fix it.

    he turns his cell phone off and does not come back. he also left a sawzall and some other fittings


    what a day !
  8. dcelite

    dcelite Plumber

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    How do these guys sleep at night?
  9. tjetson

    tjetson New Member

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    here is what i ended up going with. I was told i cannot go more then a 180 degree change on the pipe

    i used 1 90 a 22 and a 45

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    here is where the evil plumber hacked my water line on my thanks giving dinner day. The girls on my family LOOOOVED cooking dinner with no running water or sewer

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  10. tjetson

    tjetson New Member

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    thanks for the advice, the battery died on my camera on the last picture i took but the stack is about 7 feet away and the main stack for the house is about 12 feet away from the pictures
  11. tjetson

    tjetson New Member

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    no plumbers have any comments on what we did? would like you to hear what you think

    thanks alot
  12. dcelite

    dcelite Plumber

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    I don't see a vent in there. Maybe it's the photo angle.
    Also, it looks like you have an extra 90. Could you have just pointed a 60 or 45 or even a 90, straight at your riser instead of going around the backside?
  13. Cass

    Cass Plumber

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    Who soldered that fitting?

    I would only use a pack joint to repair that underground water pipe...Soldering is not allowed in some places and others require Silver bearing solder...brazing is very good...it also looks kinked or something...and I would wrap the pipe so it does not come in contact with the pea gravel..

    Can I buy the sawzall from you...:)
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2009
  14. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    pipes

    Why does the bend point backwards before turning to the right and going to the main. And that "second" turn going to the right looks like an impossibly "short" turn. You have created one of the most convoluted toilet drains I have ever seen, (the dimesion is actually 135 degrees not 180 and it is for special conditions only), and it does not have a vent. Under floor copper lines CANNOT be soft soldered, and if they are they CAN pull apart or leak in the future. From your description, you did NOT have a plumber, you had a handyman doing plumbing.
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2009
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