Toto Carlyle MS874114SG toilet Review, comments and pictures

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by Reader Review, Jan 2, 2006.

  1. Reader Review

    Reader Review Comments by readers

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    Toto MS874114SG Carlyle
    Comes with standard 12" rough-in.
    A 10" or 14" Unifit adapter can be ordered to change the rough-in.
    with optional UniFit adapter.
    Skirted styling with concealed trapway for easy cleaning.
    G-Max Technology. Commercial grade flush.
    Comes with SoftClose seat.
    Large water spot. 10-1/4" x 8-5/8"
    Specs for MS87411SG
    2-1/16" glazed trapway.

    No Sanagloss on black or Gray

    Love it, love...the skirt is sleek and easy to clean, why didn't manufacturers think of this before. BUT, can't put them in the 2 upstairs bathrooms because it needs more room to be installed. Had to go with the UltraMax for them instead.
    Be sure to check with your contractor about fitting in old houses.
    22 Nov 2005
    Bobby

    The water supply on the Carlyle needs to be at least 7" to the left of center.
    If it's closer than that, it can be moved with fittings.

    The Ultramax can have the water supply as close as 3" to the left of center.
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  2. Reader Review

    Reader Review Comments by readers

    We bought the Carlyle because of the sleek looks and the Toto reputation. We like it very much but there were a few surprises. We didn’t have a clue how the Unifit works. Neither did our plumber! It took him 4 hours to install. We also had to move our water supply pipe over a few inches to accommodate the skirt which required tearing up the wall and soldering on a new valve. One annoying thing is that when you add water to the bowl and it begins to fill it starts draining down the back of the trap and makes a “tinkling” sound (which is what I try to avoid) while I am using it. Toto says it is because it is not level so the water drops off the back into the trap instead of sliding down it if it is level. I am sure they are right and will install the next one level.
    Thu, 3 Nov 2005

    Bob in Texas

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  3. Reader Review

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    Have been using a Carlyle daily for almost 3 years. Only once has it required a plunger, then one push and it was unstopped. Other than that, I have never had to flush more than once. I highly recommend it.
    Sun, 25 Sep 2005
    Don
  4. Reader Review

    Reader Review Comments by readers

    I love my Toto! Of all the things we did in a remodel, this was the best. Ease of cleaning is a priority. M. Schneider Dec. 2004
  5. Reader Review

    Reader Review Comments by readers

    Built a new house two years ago and
    put in 4 Toto Carlyles. Didn’t have to
    use a plunger once! Quiet, sleek looking
    and efficient. Worth every penny!
    Wed, 22 Dec 2004
    Steve
  6. Spokaneman

    Spokaneman New Member

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    Unifit Install

    Not to dis Bob's Plumber, but I (not a trained plumber) installed two TOTO Vespins, with the Unifit in about 4 hours (no moving of the supply needed). To me it was logical how the unifit worked and it was much easier than trying to set a standard toilet with a wax ring.

    The only problem I had was the instructions said to drill a 13/64 pilot hole for the supplied hold down screws, but that was too large so I had to substitute some larger woodscrews. Other than that it was a quick easy installation. I probably spent about as much time unpacking the units as I did putting them in.

    I replaced both a 3.5 gallon and a early model 1.6 gallon with the TOTO's and they both work far better than either of the old toilets. Ten days now with no Clogs. Of course we set a new record on the third day.
  7. Reader Review

    Reader Review Comments by readers

    Carlyle ADA: have had for 1 yr after seeing your recommendations. It’s terrific flush—never a problem; no bowl stains, etc. Only complaint from wife: ADA ht is a bit uncomfortable for short legged people.
    T Sopher
  8. PEW

    PEW DIY Senior Member

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    Have several carlyle's for several years, never a problem. However, we all don't fill them the same. :D
  9. sw638

    sw638 New Member

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    I recently renovated my house and put in a couple of TOTO Carlyles. I love them! Excellent flush and no stains! I highly recommend Toto!

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    TOTO MS874114SG Carlyle
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  10. oohmg

    oohmg New Member

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    Recently bought it based on the awesome reviews I read here but my contractor is unable to install it because I have the exact same problem as warned.
    The toilet water supply from the wall is at 5" from the centerline of the toilet. The water supply is also 4 inches long and 4.5 inches from the floor. So it is in the way for the Carlyle II.

    My contractor said I need to hire a plumber to open the wall and relocate the toilet's water supply for 2 inches to the left. It is estimated to be $300+ which is out of my budget.

    Can I fix this by the fittings as suggested below?

    The water supply on the Carlyle needs to be at least 7" to the left of center.
    If it's closer than that, it can be moved with fittings.
  11. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    It depends on how close to 12" the flange really is. An alternative might be the 10" Unifit, it would move the toilet out 2", and give you more room to turn the supply, or maybe even reach it where it is.
  12. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Either have the plumber solder on a copper 90 el and two inches of copper or pick up a Dahl valve for Toto.
    He doesn't have to go into the wall, but he does have to think of what can be done. thinking, thinking, thinking.

    It's not that hard, we do it all the time.
  13. trinitony

    trinitony New Member

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    ^ I like this toilet, maybe I should install one....

    So 8" inches from the center is what's needed for the water supply? I will be running the plumbing for my toilet tomorrow....

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  14. GNC

    GNC New Member

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    Is this skirted Carlyle with sanagloss still in production? I initially wanted a Drake but it was vetoed by my other half.
  15. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    It's still on Terry's Review. It uses the Unifit adapter. There are other skirted toilets available as well. As long as you're shopping, I'd suggest you go to the link at the top of this page and select "Toilet Review" then "Shopping" then "Toto Toilets", From there you can scroll through the many Toto models available.
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  16. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    I have a Carlyle and it has been fine over about 5-years or so. But, if I were going to replace it, I'd consider the Carlyle II with the newer flush. Mine does have Sanagloss, which I do like.
  17. GNC

    GNC New Member

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    I've been having some difficulty in finding the Carlyle in white so I emailed Toto.

    MS874114.......was discontinued October 2011.

    I cannot use one that is "Universal" height or ADA, only their "Standard" height will work for me.
  18. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    The original Carlyle was 15-1/8" high.
    The Carlyle II is 16-1/8" high. There may be some old stock out there, or there are other models with the lower height too. The Ultramax 854 series is 14-5/8" high.
  19. MrAcoustat

    MrAcoustat New Member

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    I love my Carlyle BUT that was not the one i wanted, my wife did not want to spend the extra money for MY favorite.

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