Tile Tip of the Day - tidbits of info to help hone your skills

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  1. RedShoecounterbalance

    RedShoecounterbalance Stay away from ladders

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    Um.....Koa... Thats some nice clean work, and you say you are a fish salesman?
  2. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    Why is there such a gap between the sheets of plywood here. (My exterior deck in North Vancouver). Bonus points. Why is there Hydro Ban on the first sheet or subfloor?

    Why is there such a gap between the sheets of plywood here.

    Movement. A 1/4" gap is left between sheets and then that gets a filled with silicone. Can it Move. Will it move. Should it move. Questions to ask yourself at every stage of a shower or deck build.


    Why is there Hydro Ban on the first sheet or subfloor? -
    That is a trick question and the reason is a silly one. I ran out of time building my home. I Hydro Banned the outside edge of my deck to last throughout the winter and get me to the following year.

    When the second layer of plywood went down this hydroban was destroyed by nails and screws. But it did the job protecting the deck from harm - even though it is not designed as a wear surface. It held up nicely.
  3. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    The tile in the lower right is not installed yet. What can you learn from this photo?

    Lots of things.

    1). use a rigid stainless ruler for lots of the fine measuring
    2). Remember tile spacers in your calculations
    3). A tile like the one shown above needs to be perfect. I first cut the rectangular size and when that is perfect measure for the window cut outs and miters.
  4. RedShoecounterbalance

    RedShoecounterbalance Stay away from ladders

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    John, These are too easy!!. Lets let the DIY crowd spell it out.
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    Is it so you can hang the drill from your belt after you're done shortening some plastic pipe?
  6. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    Not the clip on the drill. The drill bit thing. With the spikes.
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    Like in cutting down a PVC or ABS drain line from the inside of the pipe that's below the floor surface.
  8. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    DING DING DING - That is correct. It's a kick ass tool and one few other tools can do. Make sure to stuff a rag or bag inside the pipe below the pipe to catch any debris. I like to rotate the drill counter clockwise while drilling.
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    In the photo you see from the top down. 2" PVC pipe. 2" Shower drain OS&B (lower portion). OS&B top collar. OS&B strainer holder. Oil Rubbed Bronze ACO shower drain. If I want the OS&B (lower Portion) to sit 3/4" above the concrete floor what is wrong with this picture?

    Not enough room has been left around the White PVC pipe. Now the plumber will need to chip out some concrete to make the drain rough in go where it should. This is needless work since the concrete that is there now was just added.

    Next time some kind of cement blocker (like a coffee can) could have been used to keep the space needed. Or the drain could have been glued on and the cement placed around it.
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    In the photo you see from the top down. 2" PVC pipe. 2" Shower drain OS&B (lower portion). OS&B top collar. OS&B strainer holder. Oil Rubbed Bronze ACO shower drain. If I want the OS&B (lower Portion) to sit 3/4" above the concrete floor what is wrong with this picture?

    Not enough room has been left around the White PVC pipe. Now the plumber will need to chip out some concrete to make the drain rough in go where it should. This is needless work since the concrete that is there now was just added.

    Next time some kind of cement blocker (like a coffee can) could have been used to keep the space needed. Or the drain could have been glued on and the cement placed around it.
  11. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    What is going on in this photo? What lessons can we learn from this one image?

    There is lots we can learn from this photo.

    1). The dam corner ideally should be placed under the NobleSeal TS.
    2). The NobleSeal TS should be installed higher than shown
    3). The nails are too close to the curb height and I would have smeared some NobleSealant 150 over them
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    What tip can we learn from the scrap pieces of cement backer board screwed to the ceiling?

    I used the cement board to save room for the drywall crew. This way they can slide their sheet into the groove.

    I also added tuft tape to the top of the top plate so they could tie in their vapour proofing easier.

    I could have skipped either step. It took less than ten minutes to do these two things and will net my client a better build bathroom.

    Often a shower build happens out of ideal order - its good when all the trades play nice together and each respect what the other's job is.
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    Yesterdays Tip and Answer Below

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    I need to cut out that stud to make room for the shower niche build. What tip do you see in this photo?

    That stud is an old growth fir stud. Hard as rock. Drilling the holes makes cutting the stud much easier. The more holes the better.

    Once these holes where drilled I used my Japanese pull saw to finish the job. Channel locks help pry the old stud out.

    More photos of this process here:
  14. RedShoecounterbalance

    RedShoecounterbalance Stay away from ladders

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    John, I fear your nocurb site may be hijacked and turning into the worlds first shower soft porn site!
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    LOL - NO - that's me. Just giving the viewers what they want. Seems more people are searching out shower sex than no curb showers.

    My last post makes me want to book a flight to Chicago and catch the show.... :)
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    Yesterday's Answer

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    This is a shower I built a couple years back. Check out the drain and the tile layout. What can you learn from studying this photo?

    You might learn that a one way slope can be created with out the use of a linear drain.

    You might learn that slight grade changes can be hid with a tile profile and not grout or tile.
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    I preformed a soak test on these slate mosaic tiles. What is the white stuff shown in this image. Why is this of concern for a shower, pool or exterior deck?

    The White stuff is the glue that held the tile to the mesh backing. This glue should be spot set and only cover 5% of the tile's back. If this made the install it might have softened and failed on a shower job, pool job or exterior deck.

    Always soak test your tile!
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    This is an old install of mine. Look at how close the drain is to the doorway to the bedroom. What trick did I do here to make this install a little safer?

    See how the wall tile comes down into the drain channel. That's the tip. No way for water to travel over the edge of the drain lip or tile edging this way.
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    This is a short slide show of a barrier free shower renovation I worked on three years ago. Try and study the tile layout around the custom drain and showed entry.

    Why all those cuts?


    The extra cuts allow the slope outside the shower to pitch back the the shower drain. This is a key safety factor in any shower build featuring an entry shower drain location.

    The builder did not want it this way. (extra cuts in tile)

    The designer did not want it.

    The tile guy did not want it.

    The glass guy bitched about installing before the tile was finished.

    No one like the idea. In the end every trade did as I told and the client love it. Called the Shower "World Class".
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    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    Where is this work taking place? What country? What is he building?

    This fellow is from Australia. He is building a shower curb and setting the Hebel blocks with thin-set. Wood is not allowed for shower hobs or curbs in Australia.

    They are not allowed on my projects either!
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