Symmons Temptrol Question

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  1. organic_smallhome

    organic_smallhome New Member

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  2. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Unless I am misunderstanding what you intend to do, once you remove the old Temptrol unit you can install any brand, model, or style of valve you desire.
  3. organic_smallhome

    organic_smallhome New Member

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    Thanks, HJ. Interesting. When I showed my plumber the set up, he said that I would have to go with the same system for replacement. Or perhaps I misunderstood him. We have an old bathroom that we're doing an update on (rather than a full renovation). The hardware set-up in the bath is kind of weird. I think they updated the trim on the wall at some point by installing the Temptrol and replacing some of the tiles with a large black tile. The showerhead comes out of the ceiling rather than the outside wall to avoid freezing pipes. Why they didn't install it on the opposite wall is beyond me (unless it's because there's a iinen closet there). Anyway, the house is a 1930s WPA project, so it has lots of quirks. Also, I asked the plumber whether we could replace the showerhead and extension pipe and he said he could try, but sometimes they break off. Any thoughts?

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  4. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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    So if you just want to REPAIR the valve, and REPLACE the trim, then of course it must be ONLY Temptrol. But there will be a few different handle styles which will work. Possibly take it all to a large plumbing supply for help. Symmons website will also show parts lists, etc.
  5. organic_smallhome

    organic_smallhome New Member

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    Actually, I wanted to replace the whole thing--valve and trim.

    So, just to be sure I understand:

    I can use a different Temptrol trim style/valve and won't have to replace it with the exact one?

    I could go with an entirely different brand, like Kohler, if I want to?

    I would actually like to replace it with the Kohler Bancroft K-T10581-4P-SN in Polished Nickel, but have no idea which valve to order. There are, apparently, four different valves to choose from.
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  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Personal opinion, Kohler may have some pretty stuff, but getting parts down the line can be a major pain, and likely costly.

    If you are going to be replacing the walls, then your choices are unlimited. If you wish to keep what you have, then you'd probably have to see what trim from Symmons would fit.

    On a remodel, you would be required to ensure the valve is an anti-scald version to meet current codes. The old one might, I don't know.

    Tearing out enough tile to replace the valve means doing something similar. The plumber may be willing to tear up the wall, but not redo the tile work.

    Once you have the wall open enough to replumb, the choices are pretty open. If the supply pipes are old galvanized steel, tearing things out and replacing with copper or possibly pex would be a good idea.
  7. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    You have to read the specifications for the valves. Any of the four would work, but maybe only one would do what you want it to.
  8. organic_smallhome

    organic_smallhome New Member

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    Thank you for your helpful comments. I didn't realize that the tile would have to be torn out to replace the valve. I guess that's what my plumber meant when he said that I'd have to buy a new version of the same thing. But what would be the point of that? It looks like I won't be replacing anything. :(
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