Stud shoes?

Discussion in 'Canadian Plumbing Code Questions' started by ohliuw, Jul 15, 2016.

  1. ohliuw

    ohliuw New Member

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    Are stud shoes mandatory for drain pipes? My builder made a mistake with a drain location in the basement, so they cut left through the studs horizontally for about 15 feet one way, then back to the right to the original location - see the photos.

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    I don't think the wall is load bearing (it is the inside wall that has the insulation and the 6 mil, but on the other hand it attaches to the joists, so I am not really sure).

    I tried to argue that they should have at least protected the pipe with stud shoes, but the builder told me it was according to the code. I find it hard to believe as once the wall is closed, anyone could drive nails or screws through it.

    I am also no sure if it is ok to be outside the vapor barrier?

    Also not convinced about these 90 degree turns ...

    Could you advise?
    Thanks
     
  2. Reach4

    Reach4 Well-Known Member

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    I am not a plumber. That looks terrible.

    Are you sure that is not a vent rather than a drain? Is that a tee in the lower left of your second picture?

    I don't know about the missing metal plates.
     
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  4. ohliuw

    ohliuw New Member

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    Yes, it's a tee. I suppose the top horizontal line vents out the roof and the bottom drains down t basement floor. See the pic:

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    I have some sort of warranty with Qualite Habition, but they require $100 to open the file, which they will reimburse if they determine that I am right.

    I just want to make sure the code requires the use of stud shoes before I go that route. I don't want them to say that's ugly, but it's properly done...

    Thanks
     
  5. Reach4

    Reach4 Well-Known Member

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    As a vent line, that is not the meandering drain line I thought originally.

    I don't know if your code requires it stud shoes. If so, pursuing the contractor makes sense. If only nail guards are needed in your area installing them yourself is cheap and easy. How about asking your local building department?
     
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  6. Plumber1979

    Plumber1979 Certified Plumber

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    im a plumber in Ontario and Yes stud guards are mandatory. Unless you want s hole in a vent snd sewer gas stinking up you house and possibly making you sick.
     
  7. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Nail plates protect the pipes. Stud shoes are used to restore the integrity of the studs, usually when they are load bearing.
     
  8. ohliuw

    ohliuw New Member

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    I ended up buying these 6" plates online - $30 for 50 is damn good price:

    Gardner Bender FP159-6 Saf-Te-Plate Protectors, 1-1/2-Inch by 6-Inch, 50/Box

    It just wasn't worth my time arguing with ignorant, corner cutting builders
     
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  9. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    That is hyperbole,.Unless you pull the nail/screw out of the pipe, there is no hole to allow gases into the room. And even if there were, they would merely flow up the wall and vent into the attic through the openings around the pipes.
     
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