ROMEX®/cable color changes

Discussion in 'Electrical Forum discussion & Blog' started by taz150, Sep 21, 2011.

  1. taz150

    taz150 New Member

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    Hi to all.
    In what year was the 10-2 changed to an orange sheathing ?,and the 12-2 changed to a yellow sheathing ?

    Thank you

    ROMEX®
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  2. kreemoweet

    kreemoweet New Member

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    In 2001, according to my sources. The color code is unofficial, and romex of all sizes is still made and sold in other
    colors, chiefly white and black.
  3. Speedy Petey

    Speedy Petey Licensed Electrical Contractor

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    I don't think it was a certain year. They just started doing it and each manufacturer followed suit. Also don't forget, there was a lot of old stock to be used up as well, so the age of manufacture and the age of sale is sometimes off by quite a bit.

    Why is this a concern to you?
  4. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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    I suspect you have to be careful not to totally rely on the color to tell you what it is. Some of that good chinese romex...after a few years the colors fade and orange looks like yellow...etc
  5. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Unless the colors became a "universal standard" you cannot depend on ANYTHING other than the gauge of the wire to tell what you have. I believe I had a small roll of 14/2 wg which was yellow recently.
  6. taz150

    taz150 New Member

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    Thanks all for replys,
    No was just wondering, I have seen orange and yellow sheathing around for a while now was thinking it might be a new industry/safety standard etc. By any means all wire I use gets double checked and is what it is supposed to be/ and correct for the application.
  7. Bobelectric

    Bobelectric Electrical Contractor

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    That was brewed up by the home builders that used illegal workers to Pull white to here ,Pull yellow there, and orange here. Not a code issue.
  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    also one of the reasons for BLUE PEX for cold water and RED for hot. A "real plumber" would arrive at a house a day early and install all the "terminals" for the fixtures. Then the "kids" or illegals would come in the next day and start running red to the left connection and blue to the right one and toilets.
  9. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

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    Buy all white pex and a box of sharpie markers.
  10. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Then it would need another "smart" plumber to know which markers to use. If you gave the installers all white PEX, they would think they just had to put one system in going from connction to connection in record time. I have known some plumbers who did not check which "color" the copper tubing should be and interconnected the hot and cold lines at a manifold in the wall. Makes an interesting situation to try to locate WHERE it is after the walls are completed and painted.
  11. Terry

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    Hello. It has come to the attention of Southwire Company that you and the participants of your forum page are using the trademark name "ROMEX" on at least the following web page:

    http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?43642-romex-cable-color-changes

    As ROMEX is a registered trademark of Southwire Company, we ask that you please begin using the ® after ROMEX on your Chat page and state on your message board that ROMEX® is a registered trademark of Southwire Company.

    Please make the following changes:
    Thread: ROMEX®/cable color changes
    We understand that you may be unable to control all usage of the mark ROMEX on your chat page. However, if it’s your preference not to make the adjustments mentioned above, please cease use of the ROMEX mark and encourage your forum participants to make reference to NMB instead of using the federally registered ROMEX trademark when referring to NMB cable in general.

    If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. If this change is not made within ten days we will contact you again to check on your progress.

    Thanks,

    Beverly Cofield, Law Clerk
    Southwire Company
    770-832-5707
  12. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades

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    Now That is Crazy.

    Is there someone about to steal that name ?

    Lets make sure we say Facebook® also.
  13. Chad Schloss

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    Like they have Nothing else to do, lol. this is a DYI forum for pete's sake, lol.
  14. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    If you don't defend the use of your trademark, it can go into the public domain, and anyone can use it. They, and many others, spend a huge amount of money developing and perfecting something, and often, being the first, people take the name as a generic. Consider tissue verses K...., or cellophane tape verses S....., or copy verses X..... If you owned those brands, wouldn't you want people to actually refer to YOUR product when people were thinking generic, or made in China knockoff? The impact is real, it is tangible, and legally, it is required, or you can lose it to generic status.
  15. Chad Schloss

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    They trademark the name so other companies can't use it, not people who consume their product... if the name is so catchy that consumers use it on a regular basis, they make sales. they should not think that we are trying to steal the ROMEX® name in any way. in fact, I bought ROMEX® last month (a south wire product, lol) I bought a few thousand feet of ROMEX® to rewire my house. They should be GRATEFUL that I, as a consumer, remember their trademark and slogans and ANY advertisements.
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  16. nukeman

    nukeman Nuclear Engineer

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    Exactly, Jim. When you own a trademark, you need to make a reasonable attempt to defend it. It isn't possible to catch all uses of the name without the R or TM, but the company needs to show that they try to defend the ones that they find. If they lost the trademark, myself or anyone else, could make wire and slap the ROMEX name on it. Southwire obviously does not want that, so they protect the trademark.
  17. Chad Schloss

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    They own the trademark, PERIOD. OTHER COMPANIES WHO USE THE TRADEMARK ARE WRONG. Use of the Trademarked name, on a public DIY Forum, should only help sales, not hurt it. If I hear the name ROMEX®, guess where I shop? Big Orange Home Depot, who just so happens to carry ROMEX® branded products.. they benefit from people talking about their product.
  18. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades

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    That is so correct.

    Putting the ® does not protect them from other company's using the name.

    If they really own that trademark, They have rights to sue if someone does use it.

    Reserved and Copyrighted and Trademark are also different, but if you own it , You own it.

    I have a feeling that they lost the Copyright and did not pay the bill to keep the trademark.

    It cost money to keep the name Reserved, Maybe they did not pay up.

    Company's are looking at ways to stay afloat.


    Don't you love them Lawyers.
  19. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    The only way you can retain your trademark is to take reasonable effort to defend it's proper use...if you don't, then a legal opening is to declare it a generic, non-trademark. It has nothing to do with paying money...once a trademark is yours, it is yours until you relinquish it, or let it fall into public use through neglect or non-use.
  20. Chad Schloss

    Chad Schloss Member

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    in generalized speaking terms such as this forum, you have no right to tell me how I am supposed to speak and refer to your products. if i were to say, "please hand me a kleenex to wipe off the glass on the xerox" i can without infringing on their trademark. this is not a business, not a money making venture. no ground to stand on. period. romex has been a common name for YEARS for common people to talk about nm-b wire. it is not hurting them at all with us talking about them. If I were to start a business and manufacture wire, and call my product roxex-like or something, then there would be an issue.
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