Nuclear plants in Japan risk meltdown

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  1. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    I agree Ballvalve, but the situation in Japan is getting out of control now and needlessly so.

    There have clearly been failures and mistakes. And we will need to learn from those.

    But nuclear power is our only future, if global warming does not kill us first.
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    Funny, I don't fear them, I just think they are an unnecessary evil. There are clearly, other options.
  3. Terry

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    I would rather see more use of nuclear and less oil being used.
    We could be plugging in our cars at night, instead of using up all of the oil reserves. What happens when those are gone?
    Like Ballvalve says, how many deaths from cars, how many from power generation?
    Have we already forgotten the gulf mess with the oil platform?
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  5. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    I think there has been another fire at the plant.

    This is very sad news.

    Just what are those carriers doing?

    Come on boys. Use your mobile city to fix this one.

    You have the suits.

    You have the clean-up facilities.

    You have the pumps.

    You have the power.

    Heck, you even have the brains.

    Moor up and use them.

    Better to lose a few American lives to save others than many from fighting wars.

    Your pride of the fleet currently sits 175 miles away.
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  6. Those carriers are not going within harms way by risk of radiation exposure.

    A 20 mile radius is being enacted in a no-fly zone and the US Navy has detected elevated levels... 200 miles away.

    They've already mentioned that some, as many as 150 of the US Navy have been exposed to radiation. Their efforts now can lead to lifelong cancers, death down the road, when all of this mass tragedy is a memory.

    They have snow in the forecast, rain which will bring that radioactive cloud to the ground. It's invisible death... you cannot see or smell it... just symptoms.


    I don't care what the news says; NO ONE knows the exact amount of radiation is coming from that area, and if I was on the west coast (California/Oregon/Washington) I'd be buying up every iodide pill available, along with access to a bunker.

    As great as information trading is today, there are statements/revelations that are being held back in that country to stop mass chaos/fleeing.


    There's going to be mass death occurring there in the next 2-5 months and no one wants to talk about it.


    And no one wants to talk about these russian seismologists predicting a megaquake on the west coast.

    These russians wouldn't be saying this unless they meant it.

    Go check their history of predictions and you'll be scared into a new life.


    Lots of things going on with the earth right now in regards to magnetics... this is the reason for a lot of things changing, the frequency.


    Guess who's the biggest buyer of bunkers right now?


    U.S. Government


    Why do you think the space shuttle program is shut down?


    Something huge is coming in 2012
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    So right. You are so absolutely right.

  8. IF it was me, I'd be leaving the west coast after this revelation:


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110316/ts_nm/us_japan_quake_wind_1


    Radiation levels are 10 times higher in Tokyo,


    If there was elevated levels of radiation on a ship, 200 miles from the nuclear site... and this wind is going to pick it up and take towards america at 34 feet per second...


    This is more serious than anyone knows at this point... and it's going to come quickly and without warning.
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    I think, too, I would pass on most edible things if it is coming from Japan.
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    I don't consider most japanese food "edible" in the first place, so taking a pass will present no problem!!!
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    By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press – Wed Mar 16, 5:44 am ET

    BEIJING – Japan's neighbors have ordered strengthened radiation monitoring of shipments from the earthquake-stricken country amid its frantic attempts to cool overheating reactors at a damaged nuclear power plant. The U.N. health body said there was no evidence of contamination outside Japan.

    Regulators in China, which is Japan's largest trading partner, issued an order Wednesday calling for radiation monitoring to track any goods possibly contaminated by leaks from nuclear power reactors damaged by Friday's 9.0 magnitude earthquake and tsunami in northeastern Japan. Several other Asian nations were taking similar precautions.

    A statement from the World Health Organization's China representative Michael O'Leary said WHO "would like to assure governments and members of the public that there is no evidence at this time of any significant international spread from the nuclear site" in Japan's northeast.

    [Related: What is acute radiation syndrome?]

    The statement also warned against rumors falsely saying a radiation cloud was spreading across Asia.

    Japan ordered emergency workers to withdraw from the damaged nuclear plant in Fukushima on Wednesday amid a surge in radiation, temporarily suspending efforts to cool the overheating reactors.

    Officials in Ibaraki prefecture (state), just south of Fukushima, said radiation levels were about 300 times normal levels by late morning. While those levels are unhealthy for prolonged periods, they are far from fatal. Fukushima is about 140 miles (220 kilometers) north of Tokyo.

    Besides China, far eastern Russia and the Korean peninsula are Japan's closest neighbors.

    The Russian Emergencies Ministry said Tuesday it had detected no increase in radiation levels.

    South Korean officials said Wednesday they had strengthened radiation monitoring. Officials began to inspect all livestock and fisheries products imported from Japan for radiation contamination on Monday, according to the Ministry for Food, Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries. In the past, only random samples were inspected.

    [Related: What is radioactive iodine poisoning?]

    About 50 tons of animal products, mostly cheese, have been tested so far but no contamination has been found, said ministry official Jang Jae-hong.

    The state-run Korea Food & Drug Administration has also started radiation checks, agency official Oh Geum-sun said.

    Two-way trade between South Korea and Japan reached about $92.5 billion last year, with Japan ranked as South Korea's second-largest trading partner after China. Trade between China and Japan in 2010 was about $300 billion.

    The Department of Health in Taiwan, which is southwest of Japan, has begun checking food imports from the Fukushima area of Japan for radiation contamination, and airport officials are offering to scan any inbound passengers from Japan who are worried about radiation.

    China's official Xinhua News Agency quoted Chinese meteorologists Wednesday as saying rain and snow forecast in northern Japan should help prevent any spread of radiation.

    In Hong Kong, shoppers were buying up popular Japanese milk powder, fearing future supplies could be contaminated by radiation.

    Hong Kong Secretary for Food and Health York Chow said the self-governing Chinese territory had stepped up checks of imported Japanese fresh food imported by air since Saturday, testing each shipment's radiation level, with no problems reported. Japanese imports make up a small amount of Hong Kong's total food imports.

    Further away, Singapore said it has increased inspections of food imports from Japan.

    An Indian government statement said customs authorities at ports and airports had been asked to test samples of food imported from Japan. India mainly imports Japanese processed foods, sea food, oil seeds and seeds of vegetables such as cauliflower and cabbage. It also gets citrus fruits, diary products, confectionery and tobacco products from Japan.

    Malaysian airport authorities are screening passengers and cargo from Japan for radiation contamination, said Mohamad Yasin Sudin, an official with the Atomic Energy Licensing Board. Authorities are also checking food imports from Japan.
  12. ballvalve

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan...jA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNuZXdwb3dlcmxpbmU-

    This article says they have been MANUALLY pumping water into the plants hot spots. If true, its quite pathetic. They still cant fly in a genset? WTF!

    And the japanese imposed a 50 mile no fly zone on the US military - guess they do not want us to know whats really going on.

    We need to import 'food' from Japan like we need to import corn from India. Seems like japan should be hoarding food, not shipping it here!

    Dont be too sure of where the wind will blow. It might go straight to Cincinatti. But if I were Terry, I'd be building a bunker out of Toto's about 6 deep. And move my warehouse up on a high hill.

    I have 2 rivers on my property, And a cut and cover wine cellar with 1-1/4" rebar on 6" centers. Enough wine and food to keep the family alive and drunk until times improve. And for my place to become ocean front property, You would need a 12.0 earthquake and melting of the entire ice cap. In which case Denver would be a place to go surfing.
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    Ah, but, it might mean after the fact, as I would presume.
  14. Ian Gills

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    Some good news is that the power company might now be able to restore power to the cooling pumps.

    I really hope they are able to.

    Let's hope they succeed where the USS George Washington clearly did not try.

    Should have sent a bigger carrier. Evidently she just didn't have the juice. Is she diesel-powered?
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  15. Terry

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    I live on somewhat of a hill. There is a holding pond on the same street, but just for the local neighbor hood and I'm higher then that.
    I've never seen water in it in the last four years.
    I remember when I was a kid, the main highway to the East over Snoqualmie Pass and to the closest skiing was I-90.
    One Fall the river alongside the road decided to take out I-90 for about a mile. Water can do crazy things. My uncle had a cabin near a river on the other highway going over Stevens Pass, and my father had commented on his cabin being so close to the river. Before he sold it, it had been flooded three times.
    It didn't wash away at least.
    So after that, I don't live near a river. The nearest river is five hundred feet lower then my home. Now that would be some flood.

    The no-fly zone is kind of scary. You would think they would take the help.

    The british, do they still have those three mast sailing ships Ian?
    Don't they heat with coal in England, and go chasing deer in the forests with bows and arrows?

    Japan was warned more than two years ago by the international nuclear watchdog that its nuclear power plants were not capable of withstanding powerful earthquakes, leaked diplomatic cables reveal.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d8129a85da2d6c9,0

    From the NYT: "A 1997 study by the Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island described a worst-case disaster from uncovered spent fuel in a reactor cooling pool. . . 100 quick . . . and 138,000 eventual deaths. . . 2,170 miles would be contaminated and damages would hit $546 billion. That section of the Brookhaven study focused on boiling water reactors — the kind at the heart of the Japanese crisis."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/asia/15fuel.html
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  16. Mega death......

    Building Nukes all over the place and thinking they are completely safe .......... is like going to a gambling casino and being told you can never lose.....

    you are told about the risk, but it is minimal and we will all be winners........

    then you place your money on the roulette wheel and no matter where it comes up , you win..... with cheap energy,,, and a good life... everything is rigged to win.....

    you let the money ride cause the odds of the wheel landing on 000 is almost impossible.....it cant happen in a thousand years....

    the people running the casino, The NUKE industry, well they all get filthy rich too.... and you trust them so you let them build more NUKEs all over the planet....

    but their is one thing that no one tells you as you get filthy rich riding that Nuculear wave to prosperity..... ....

    YOU CANT TAKE YOUR MONEY OFF THE TABLE........;):eek::cool:

    so eventually , no mater how rich you or your children or their children get....
    that thousand year sunami hits and everything is lost...

    and we all start over at 0....


    now humanity might have to witness something that is almost
    something out of a horror movie.....

    the best thing that could be done is to shut them all off along the
    california coast before some thing bad happens .....

    I dont think anyone here has the courage to
    go into those buildings like the Japanese are doing.

    they are not paying me enough to do that...


    anyway,
    pray for them all cause this is going to get
    gruesome..... .

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    ....
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    English humour aagaain, I must say. The fine Brit navy speaking: " Ay say, mate, let's beach that US carrier, put on our lead trousers, and drag a few miles of harbor freight extension cords through the tsunami surf... and I think we jolly well deserve a few cases of Guiness to keep our energy up"

    The Brits would finally have a get go back at "George Washington", who proved what a pack of dolts their military really was [mostly hired mercenaries anyway]

    In my case more of creeks than a stream, and I can visit the entire watershed of both in a few miles. So unless we get the 40 day rain, they are a huge benefit in a crisis for water and power. Here there was a water mill in 1848, and I would say it was about the 4th water mill ever built west of Utah. [gold milling] Soon, I hope to have about 5KW on a 24-7 basis, and make good use of this amazing water power. I am deep in the house and can still hear an amazing concert from the waterfall now.

    Its a fairly solid rock creek channel, but there are some sheer cliff faces that should they cleave off in a monster quake, might create a very interesting natural dam.

    National Geo has a feature on Atlantis this weekend - seems like good information that it was simply buried in a monster tsunami. Good timing on their part.

    Seems to me the Japanese cheapened up because the real- estate was so expensive and scarce - packed too much in too little a space in a absurdly bad location. we have nuclear power in ARIZONA. You don't need a beach to make power! And 3 or 4 elevated gensets per reactor would have hurt the stockholders margins.
  18. Radioactive Plume heading towards California



    I wish the best for everyone affected, but no one is taking any of this serious.


    This went to 'no big deal' and 'nothing like chernobyl' to people being hit with radiation 200 miles away, 3 days ago....

    People getting radiation on their shoes, so we know it's coming down,

    and now, it's coming to the United States.


    I encourage anyone with a true and accurate geiger counter to post youtube videos of the readings every day for the next few days if you live in California, because you certainly won't get a straight answer from the government in the true reality of how strong the radiation is.

    If it's bad, they'll suppress it to prevent widespread panic. Kinda like they've been doing in japan already.


    This is going down as a silent massive change of the world, everyone is watching in their lazyboy eating popcorn like it's just a movie, waiting for the next turn in the plot.
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    You are right in my books Steve. One thing with radiation is the uptake is concentrated in the stomach area, first seen will be stomach problems. Since the radiation is going in that direction with Calif I would be hesitate to buy the food grown there for a while, a long while. It will taint the farms. It is a huge problem.

    Mark mentioned when something happens with the nuclear power plants it takes you back to square 0, actually, to minus 0.
  20. Ian Gills

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    Not really. Just interest and perhaps concern with exactly what the largest aircraft carrier in the world together with 13 other US vessels and thousands of marines are doing there, for which US taxpayers will be footing the bill.

    For example, I find it incredible that they did not deal with the nuclear problem there days ago, when it was far less serious.

    No-one even mentioned the possibility whether they could assist.

    If we were the ones with the big carrier, it would have been job done.

    If it were a problem on the US Coast, it would have been job done.

    We only now hear that "the US has been asked to fly a drone over the site to help assess the situation."

    Better late than never.
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