New/updated style of valves?

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by hutchisonb, Sep 1, 2008.

  1. hutchisonb

    hutchisonb New Member

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    I need some help. Our house is about 10 years old. We are re-flooring our powder/bath & replacing the toilet.

    We had a flooring person comment that our valve behind the toilet is somehow the old type and not up to code. We are in the Seattle area (Eastside & Go Hawks). This was a comment that he made to my wife, so I don't know the details. However, he noticed the difference immediately.

    I've attached a picture of our current valve... can anyone tell me what the difference is? How big of a deal is this?

    Thanks!

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  2. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    The picture is a bit fuzzy but is the supply tube going up to the toilet an integral part of the valve?
  3. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Those are one time only valves.
    If you pull and reset the toilet, that will have to be replaced.

    I change out those all the time in the Seattle area.
    What were the new construction plumbers thinking when they put those in?

    The problem with them, is that the copper tube cracks if you attempt to move them.
    No plumber will reuse one.

    When we change them, we replace with the new 1/4" stops.
  4. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    Thats what I thought they were...
    Replace them...
  5. hutchisonb

    hutchisonb New Member

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    Follow-up response

    Hi Redwood, Terry: thanks for the responses. Here is a larger picture just for the record...

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    I'll make sure this gets replaced then (Terry, I might be calling this week). We're trying to do most of the work in this room ourselves (especially in this economy), but I don't want to cheap out in the wrong place.

    The funny thing is, this is from a "quality" builder that anyone from the Seattle area would recognize the name of. This isn't the first time I've encountered cheap parts around the house.
  6. maddog

    maddog Engineer

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    Terry is absolutely right. The first time you move these things (like to replace a fill valve), they will leak. The builder put these stupid things on every toilet and sink in the house. I've replaced all the toilet shut-offs and hoses, but haven't done the sinks yet.... always a bit tentative about getting the compression fitting tightened just right.
  7. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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    Ditto.

    Funny thing.....on this and any other forum, plumbers universally condemn these valves. If we are lucky, we learned to ALWAYS replace them BEFORE we had a flood which would have been blamed back on us!

    But they still make these. Brasscraft calls it the PlumbQwik brand. And a bunch of plumbers everywhere still put them in. I guess if the builder specs it, watchya gonna do??
  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    supply

    They are used because they are cheap and quick to install. But they are not against any code, which makes me suspicious of a plumber who says they are. If he were a legitimate plumber he would have told them that while they are permitted, it is better to replace them before they fail. By using the code as a reason, it implies that they are trying to scare the customer into replacing them and that usually means a big bill.
  9. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    It was the flooring person that stated they were not up to code. They are approved by code but pulling the toilet then reinstalling it and using the same one is definitly not advisable...

    While wi are on the subject of flooring....
    Are you adding additional thickness to the floor?
    The closet flange is supposed to be mounted on top of the finished floor.
    I would urge you to take that into consideration with your new flooring.
    2 wax rings because the flange is below the level of the flooring has ruined many new floors.
  10. kingsotall

    kingsotall Plunger/TurdPuncher

    Gramps was a farmer. He hated mustard weeds and would go through great pains to eradicate them. (ie: take a hoe to each and every one of 'em, blow torch them etc) These kind of valves remind me of them mustard weeds.
  11. hutchisonb

    hutchisonb New Member

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    Flooring

    We are not adding to the thickness, we are pulling up the existing wood flooring and putting down tiling.

    Thanks for the advice on the flange placement. :) This is truly not my area of expertise.
  12. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Keep in mind that with the new floor, you may need to do something to the toilet flange...it is supposed to be installed on TOP of the finished floor, and anchored into the subflooring.

    For help on tiling, check out www.johnbridge.com to make sure the floor will support tile (many floors can't without some help).
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