New Soaker Tub Leaking Help

Discussion in 'Shower & Bathtub Forum & Blog' started by bodhi24, Mar 21, 2008.

  1. bodhi24

    bodhi24 New Member

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    I would like some advise from anyone. I have created a Japanese Bath. The bath tub is an Oceania Geisha Soaker, It comes in two pieces.
    The bathtub came with a sealant that must be placed between the two pieces so that they will bond. Well unfortunately despite the seal, the tub leaks at the seam where the two pieces join.
    The manufacturer blames the plumber for improper installation, because if it leaks the installation was improper.
    The plumber takes no responsiblity for any wrong doing and blames the manufacturer.
    Well since this tub is already tiled in I ask if there is a way to seal the tub from the inside so it wont leak. Silicone caulk has been placed in the seam from the inside of the tub to stop leakage, however, it still leaks.
    The manufacturer says silicone would only be a patch.
    Any advice on sometype of adhesive to place in the seam and spray acrylic to harden over any adhesive so it wont leak.
    I would like to find a solution for this issue, in hopes to not get any lawyers involved. Any solutions would be welcome.

    Thank you everyone,

    Best wishes,
    Bodhi

    p.s. I believe the tub is an acrylic tub that holds 90 gallons, so any patch has to withstand the water pressure from inside the tub.
  2. chris fox

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    I find it hard to believe there is a joint in the tub where two halves meet and its below water line. I am assuming this is due to its size/shipping.
    Were these two pieces supposed to be clamped during bonding process? If so, seems like a lot varibles i.e. setup, temperature and clamping force.
    I am sure the pros will chime in...sorry I couldnt be of any more help.

    chris
  3. bodhi24

    bodhi24 New Member

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    Due to the size since it is a soaker at about 34 inch depth. the seam is at about 22 inches high and the tub goes to a total of 34 inches in depth.
    On the outside of the tub, there were clamps that were provided and tightened down on all four sides.

    Thanks
    bodhi24
  4. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    This sounds like a job I would have run from!

    Getting pieces to seal properly in a shower is bad enough! Who in thier right mind would design a 2 piece soaker tub!:confused:
  5. bodhi24

    bodhi24 New Member

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    here is a picture of the tub
  6. krow

    krow Plumber

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    The only way to seal that soaker properly, is to take it apart and rechaulk the entire seam... Does it come with any type of special moulded gasketing to fit the perimeter of the tub? Unless there is a crack in the acrylic and the plumber sealed the seam properly, there should be no leaks.


    Its a vey poor engineering of a soaker, if you ask me. The pic is really hard to decipher, because all we see is white
  7. Cass

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    It is to late now I think because silicone has already been used but there may have been a way using a vacuum to pull sealant / bonding agent through the crack / leak and fix the problem. With the silicone already having been used it may not be possible now.

    Do you know 100% that it was due to improper bonding of the 2 pieces and not due to a Mfg. problem.
  8. bodhi24

    bodhi24 New Member

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    is there a way to fix it without ripping it out from the tile.
    this picture shows the tub already tiled in. the previous being the tub where you can see where the seam is.
    they did provide a sealant gasket type thing to seal the two pieces.
    the plumber put the silicone around the inside of the seal when we found that it was leaking and still is.

    again thanks for any help
    bodhi 24

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  9. bodhi24

    bodhi24 New Member

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    hopefully this is a better picture of the seal

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    what a about the solution of cleaning as best you can the silicon that was put from the inside of the tub. wipe with acetone then fill the seam with a marine epoxy like p11 then overcoat the epoxy with an acrylic finish.
    Any comments thanks,

  11. That will work, but forget the idea of an overcoat. Those are two independent pieces and contraction/expansion will be it's downfall.

    Did the plumber set that base on a bed of mortar to prevent spider cracking through the unit?
  12. bodhi24

    bodhi24 New Member

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    the tub came with 4 steel legs on each corner. Therefore the plumber placed directly over subfloor and liquid nailed the legs to the floor
  13. bodhi24

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    any recommendations on a finishing coat. I am worried that the epoxy will still have water leakage due to sheer force trying to leak through. I thought maybe the acrylic coating could help protect the epoxy as well as a finished look in the tub

    Thanks
  14. bodhi24

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    any advise on a marine epoxy putty or something like mighty putty for this type of application.
    thanks everyone
  15. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    Any attempt to use putty, epoxy, silicone rtv from the outside to seal will eventually leak!
  16. bodhi24

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    Thanks Redwood, Do you mean if i clean the silicone from the inside of the tub and place epoxy or putty it will eventually leak?
    Ive read that some of the epoxy putty can last upto 300 degrees and waterproof. For example so called marine epoxy.
    Again thanks for the help
  17. krow

    krow Plumber

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    anything that you do with this seam will always show up in the finish. The only thing that i can think of, is to have someone come in to add acrylic to the seam and blend both sides together. I have seen manufacturers repairs their shower stalls/bathtubs that have been scratched, chiped or broken off. You can't even tell that anything had been done.

    Now your issue will be to find a manufactureror dealer that will patch this when you didn't buy it from them.

    I know one of the units that was repaired for me was made by Maax. Miroline is another that deals with acrylic tubs/stalls.

    You can probably google both and you may be able to find a disributer close to you that will help you
  18. Cass

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    There should be a grab bar on the wall, at the very least, preferably more, so entering and exiting the tub will be safer.

    The current set up is a bad accident waiting to happen.
  19. hj

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    If the plumber assembled the tub, he was an idiot. I would connect the tub, but only after someone else put it together and got it into its location. I will not assume responsibility for the tub leaking or being damaged during placement. And the manufacturer claiming the only way it could leak was poor installation is something that Home Depot, Lowes, etc., would love to be able to say.
  20. Redwood

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    The way HJ suggested is the only way I would have touched this job...

    You just can't make Fillet Mignon out of Alpo!
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