"Net Neutrality†Not so Neutral

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  1. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    A Washington, D.C. court ruled this month that Internet service providers in the United States will be allowed to deny or degrade the Internet connection to any website as they see fit. Analyst James Love argues that this violation of “net neutrality†stems from corruption in American politics.

    http://www.themarknews.com/2014/01/27/not-so-neutral/
    The Mark News
  2. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    That is crazy.

    Looks like the FCC is covering for providers that Oversell their services. Even tho they set the rules.

    Sites like u-tube and other streaming sites will be the first to go, is my guess.

    I would not be surprised if you can pay a Extra Fee If you want sites unblocked.


    Just another Smoke Screen.
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  3. guy48065

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    And so we begin the slippery slope to internet regulation.
  4. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    Nothing New.

    The FCC regulating dial-up speeds, is one example.

    28.8 kbps is as fast as Dial-up Networking Modems can go, On land lines.

    The speed is not limited by technology, it is limited by the Gov.

    Other countries already regulate websites, we need to follow, I guess.

    Now you will need a Phorn Permit.

    I can not blame ISPs for blocking Phorn, them sites have cooties, just like the Cooties that the Girls and Guys on them sites have.


    Have Fun, Pay Up...
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  5. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Ja, but net neutrality in and of itself is the government trying to regulate what internet providers can and cannot do.
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    Wow this issue just hit home for me and now I get it. In recent weeks I've been seeing a drastic change in how long it takes streaming Netflix movies to buffer. I've also been noticing a big reduction in image quality. I never used to see digital artifacts in the signal but now it's commonplace. Pixelling, grainy picture, jerky action, interruptions, etc. I called Netflix and was told they have been getting many complaints from Comcast subscribers. They told me that during peak demand times evenings & weekends that as much as 33% of Comcast web traffic is Netflix streaming. Would Comcast want to throttle Netflix to ensure best performance to their Xfinity subscribers? I think it's pretty obvious what's going on but Comcast just gives me a smokescreen.
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    Yep.

    They expect you to use your Internet bandwidth and data limits to stream their video service.

    Now that Netflix is all streaming, I see things getting worse.

    "Would Comcast want to throttle Netflix to ensure best performance to their Xfinity subscribers? "

    Yes they would. You are lucky that they do not Block the Internet Ports that Netflix uses, Like many providers do with Majic Jack and Vontage.

    When you check network speed, Xfinity Speed Test will always have the highest speed, because they know your provider by looking up your IP Subnet, and they want to make their service look better, when it is not. That makes many people switch to them as a provider and it is already Oversold.

    I am working on a independent Internet speed test for The WinForce Control Panel, But I need to make sure my server is up to the task before I release it.


    Good Luck.
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    I think a person at the keyboard browsing or VOIP at 100 kbits (13 KB/sec) should have latency priority over streaming movies, warez and pr0n.
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  9. DonL

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    I agree.

    But the high paying customers get first dibs on the bandwidth.

    They can not deny service, when people pay $130 a month + for their service.

    I would not pay that much.
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    If the FCC has been neutered and can't prevent providers from slowing down speed to competitors--or anyone who won't pay a "fee" for priority speed--then I see a big fat class action lawsuit in the future. I recently upgraded my internet speed specifically to improve streaming performance. Netflix recommends "only" 3Mbps to stream in DVD quality. That should be a walk in the park for my 50Mbps service yet I get pauses while video buffers even though the actual video quality I'm seeing is below the worst VHS quality.

    It's a shame my cellphone provider's "unlimited" data is limited to 2.5GB or I could use my phone as a hotspot and stream through it.

    The large print giveth.
    The fine print taketh away.
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    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    "It's a shame my cellphone provider's "unlimited" data is limited to 2.5GB"

    Yea what a bunch of BS.

    I do not know how they get away with crap like that.

    After 2.5 GB , then you get dial-up speed, I guess that is unlimited, but seems like limited to me.


    All providers suck for the most part.
  12. Terry

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    I have comcast here, and Netflicks streaming is horrible.
    Anything but netflicks is fine.

    At Sue's, she has clearwire, and Netflicks works fine there.
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    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    I was going to get clearwire broadband wireless here, just to play with.

    Is that clearwire broadband wireless, where she lives ?
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    guy48065 Member

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    When I went to look up Clearwire it appears Sprint swallowed it whole.
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    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    Not sure about that.

    But they do use the Sprint Network.

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