need help identifying softener?

Discussion in 'Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and r' started by billfig, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    My son's house water is bad, its an old farmhouse. It has a new chlorinator? well pump, hot water tank and a huge wellmate "holding tank"? and an old looking softener type deal tank with a big valve on top but there is no salt tank??? It is a hydroflo devive-blue tank? Can anyone shed some light please? Thanks
  2. mialynette2003

    mialynette2003 Member

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    We can not tell you what type of valve you have unless you post a pic of it. As for the media, it could be carbon, BIRM or anyone of a number of medias.
  3. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    Seems this setup is missing a salt/brine tank?

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  4. Reach4

    Reach4 Active Member

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    It's not a water softener. mialynette2003 has the idea.

    That chlorination recipe written on the tank is stronger than my Centaur Carbon. That may provide a clue as to what your media is.

    You could get that same concentration of bleach by using a weaker bleach but more of it.
  5. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    As others have said, it is not a softener. The picture will not say what media is in it but it does beg to ask what time you took it cuz the clock on it says 4:00 AM! If you don't set the clock it will backwash at the wrong time.
  6. mialynette2003

    mialynette2003 Member

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  7. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Can you tell which pins are pushed in? I think 1 & 4, so backwashing every 3 days. Unless there is iron or turbidity, does it make sense to backwash that often?
  8. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the carbon removes chlorine in a chemical reaction that oxidizes the carbon surface. As such, the carbon is consumed and not regenerated by backwashing. Backwashing would actually squander some of the capacity.
  9. Reach4

    Reach4 Active Member

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    OK. The carbon is not consumed. At least with the Centaur Carbon, the carbon serves as a catalyst. The backwash cleans the carbon. The backwash is at a higher flow rate than an average water softener.. I think there is some mechanical filtering by the media in addition to the catalytic reaction. My understanding is not deep, and I would like to read more on this.

    I would expect the chlorine to be mostly removed during the rinse.
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2013
  10. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    Yea I noticed that too, its like 6 hrs off...I prolly wont mess with it..I figured all water treatment needed a salt/brine tank to clean media of minerals? So is the chlorine cleaning the media? or doesnt it need cleaning? His water is very crappy, someone said there is a lot of sulfar in that area? The owner did have a plumber come in & renew the pressure tank/pump/furnace and installed that chlorine tank.when they started using the old house which was dormant and just acquired with farming land.
  11. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    Thanks! At least now we can "control it" haha
  12. mialynette2003

    mialynette2003 Member

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    I've always said the same thing because I was taught that way. I don't know the real difference with Centaur or coconut shell carbon other than they both work great at cleaning the water.
  13. mialynette2003

    mialynette2003 Member

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    Can't tell which pins are pushed in. You would have to know what the chlorine is combating to know how often to backwash.
  14. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    So is the chlorine in tank used to "clean" the media of minerals instead of a salt brine tank?
  15. mialynette2003

    mialynette2003 Member

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    No. Chlorine is used to kill bacteria or oxidize iron and sulfur. Carbon will remove the oxidized iron, sulfur and chlorine in the water. Carbon does not remove minerals. It removes chemical and/or odors.
  16. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    Can you post more pictures? Do you have any form of chlorine injection or is the chlronie tube connected directly to the Autotrol valve?

    If it connected directly, can yo take the cover off the valve and send a picture of the cam across the top. it may have been modified for this specific and unique design.
  17. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    OK thanks. So this complete setup is just the 1 tank and the chlorine tank....
  18. billfig

    billfig New Member

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    I'll have to see where that chlorine line even goes? I dont see it going to the auto-trol valve/tank.
  19. Reach4

    Reach4 Active Member

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    It would connect to the controller the same way a brine tank would. What will be different is the lower amount drawn than it would during a softener salt draw, and there is no refill phase that a water softener would have.
  20. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    I read that it normally injects before a contact tank so that there is adequate time for it to work.
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