Michele Romeo
New Member
Thanks to Terry for the very useful advice I've gleaned from reading through the threads on this forum and for all who post here to contribute. This is my first post and I'm hoping for advice that will help me sort out toilet seats for Toto Toilets.
To set context for my inquiry, my husband and I are at the start of having a home built. We will have four toilets in this home. Three in baths associated with bedrooms and one in a powder room.
We are fans of Toto toilets and plan to use those in this house.
As design goes, we're leaning to the Soiree one piece toilet for our powder bath. We particularly like the #214 seat, the Soiree seat, that comes with it. It seems less countoured to us than the #114 toilet that comes with some other one piece toilets, like the Ultramax II. So my first question is related to the toilet seats and although I looked at the info on Toto's web site, I'm not sure I can figure this out so thought I'd ask here.
Specifically, is the Soiree seat in fact a 'flatter' design, not the lid but the seat, than the 114 (elongated) seat? Also, in looking at the Guinevere seat, the 224, which we cannot see in person (no showroom in our area shows more than two Toto toilets and this is not one), is that seat more countured than the 214? It seems so in photos. We are not fans of the countour in the 114 seat and are trying to determine if 224 is more like 214 or 114 in that regard.
Now to the questions about toilet selections for the bathrooms associated with bedrooms. In everything is connected to everything else mode, this also ties in to the earlier question about seats.
Design issues always play a part in these decisions, but we are function over form types. And in that regard the Universal Height (I note some here refer to this as ADA height but I think Toto uses Universal Height as marketing term) is the issue for both the master bathroom and at least one of the two guest room baths.
I am 5'4" tall. My legs are short. I have adult female relatives who are short, including a young adult niece who is only 5'0 who I factor into the equation on the discomfort of too high toilets where one feels like Edith Ann when feet dont' touch the ground. Not to mention the ergonomic problems associated with that. For a good piece written by an OT on that issue, I offer the link here and hope it is OK to post it. https://empowerability.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/are-you-comfort-able-on-your-toilet/
The irony is I also have MS and have had it for decades now. My mobilty is signifcantly impaired so one might think I am a person for whom those higher toilets would fit, the ADA compliance height and all, but as the OT points out in that article, they are not right for all people. So it seems they are not right for me. I learned this as my parents recently installed Drake IIs in all of their bathrooms a few months ago and they were just a bit too high for me and I found the 114 seats on them supremely uncomfortable. My husband said ditto to that last piece.
We thought we might use the Drake II in one of our guest baths but with the 214 (Soiree) seat which apparently is a seat option that fits the toilet. Has anyone had experience with that combintion for comfort of that seat on that toilet?
In the master and one of the guest rooms we thought we might use the Ultramax 1.6 gallon toilet as it is one of the few that Toto still makes in standard height and it is the only standard height option that works for us from a design standpoint. But here's the rub...this Ultramax being a one piece comes with the 114 seat. Which means in addition to having a seat we don't want, we need to pay more to add a seat we do want. Even willing to bite that bullet, it turns out the 114 seat is the only one recommended by Toto to fit the Ultramax 1.6 gal unit. So the question also is, has anyone ever used a Soiree seat, a 214 seat on this Ultramax toilet and if so does that work for fit?
Thanks very much to any and all who manage to wade through this long post and who have expertise to offer!
To set context for my inquiry, my husband and I are at the start of having a home built. We will have four toilets in this home. Three in baths associated with bedrooms and one in a powder room.
We are fans of Toto toilets and plan to use those in this house.
As design goes, we're leaning to the Soiree one piece toilet for our powder bath. We particularly like the #214 seat, the Soiree seat, that comes with it. It seems less countoured to us than the #114 toilet that comes with some other one piece toilets, like the Ultramax II. So my first question is related to the toilet seats and although I looked at the info on Toto's web site, I'm not sure I can figure this out so thought I'd ask here.
Specifically, is the Soiree seat in fact a 'flatter' design, not the lid but the seat, than the 114 (elongated) seat? Also, in looking at the Guinevere seat, the 224, which we cannot see in person (no showroom in our area shows more than two Toto toilets and this is not one), is that seat more countured than the 214? It seems so in photos. We are not fans of the countour in the 114 seat and are trying to determine if 224 is more like 214 or 114 in that regard.
Now to the questions about toilet selections for the bathrooms associated with bedrooms. In everything is connected to everything else mode, this also ties in to the earlier question about seats.
Design issues always play a part in these decisions, but we are function over form types. And in that regard the Universal Height (I note some here refer to this as ADA height but I think Toto uses Universal Height as marketing term) is the issue for both the master bathroom and at least one of the two guest room baths.
I am 5'4" tall. My legs are short. I have adult female relatives who are short, including a young adult niece who is only 5'0 who I factor into the equation on the discomfort of too high toilets where one feels like Edith Ann when feet dont' touch the ground. Not to mention the ergonomic problems associated with that. For a good piece written by an OT on that issue, I offer the link here and hope it is OK to post it. https://empowerability.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/are-you-comfort-able-on-your-toilet/
The irony is I also have MS and have had it for decades now. My mobilty is signifcantly impaired so one might think I am a person for whom those higher toilets would fit, the ADA compliance height and all, but as the OT points out in that article, they are not right for all people. So it seems they are not right for me. I learned this as my parents recently installed Drake IIs in all of their bathrooms a few months ago and they were just a bit too high for me and I found the 114 seats on them supremely uncomfortable. My husband said ditto to that last piece.
We thought we might use the Drake II in one of our guest baths but with the 214 (Soiree) seat which apparently is a seat option that fits the toilet. Has anyone had experience with that combintion for comfort of that seat on that toilet?
In the master and one of the guest rooms we thought we might use the Ultramax 1.6 gallon toilet as it is one of the few that Toto still makes in standard height and it is the only standard height option that works for us from a design standpoint. But here's the rub...this Ultramax being a one piece comes with the 114 seat. Which means in addition to having a seat we don't want, we need to pay more to add a seat we do want. Even willing to bite that bullet, it turns out the 114 seat is the only one recommended by Toto to fit the Ultramax 1.6 gal unit. So the question also is, has anyone ever used a Soiree seat, a 214 seat on this Ultramax toilet and if so does that work for fit?
Thanks very much to any and all who manage to wade through this long post and who have expertise to offer!