Moen Shower Handle Sticks out too far....trim question

Discussion in 'Shower & Bathtub Forum & Blog' started by jed1154, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. jed1154

    jed1154 New Member

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    I freaked out at first, but after reading, I see its perfectly normal, very common and a 'correct' install...even if its not aesthetically pleasing. Its done to spec. I get that. Im cool with that but I was wondering if anyone has had luck or if Moen sells a 'thicker' trim plate that will suck up some of that gap?
  2. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Nope, the only option that may be available is an extension kit for when the valve body is too far behind the wall, not something to fill in the gap from being out further than you want it. In either case, with or without the extenders, the handle and the trim plate are the same ones - they usually just send you a prettier piece to cover the longer stem.

    I always recommend you mock up your wall thickness so you can put the valve where you want it, not just where it will fit. Believe me, though, this system is better than trying to get the rough-in positioned within say 1/16" like is the requirement on some Kohler stuff! Tile and thinset and whatever, it takes some really careful construction to get some of their trim to fit at all (not all of their stuff is this exacting, just some).
  3. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    The faucet display panels ALWAYS show the handle right next to the plate, but when it is installed with the "plaster ground" even with the finished wall, which is how I always install them, the handle is ALWAYS at least an inch away.
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    jed1154 New Member

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    Yeah, I was just curious. Its not a big deal. Im more than happy knowing its a quality product and valve that is installed correctly....even if its not 'perfect' from an aesthetic stand point. Im probably the only one that will notice or care. :(
  5. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    quote; Im probably the only one that will notice or care.

    Unless you are like some people and feel obliged to point it out to everyone you bring into the bathroom.
  6. coop

    coop New Member

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    Thanks everyone for the above information. I just installed my first moen shower valve and I'm not too pleased with how the handle looks. I've got a fiberglass shower so I went with the "thin wall" installation (where the plaster ground and valve tightens against the back side of the shower wall when the escutcheon is fastened down). I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tried flipping the plaster ground over so that the valve would sit on the outside of that piece instead of being tucked partially inside it? After looking again at the instructions (comic book) it never actually shows how that piece (plaster ground) should be oriented. ...granted, it only seems intuitive that it would be oriented such that the three notches face toward the three pipes (or four pipes in the case of a tub, etc.), but I think it could be installed the other way around and achieve the desired spacing. Anyone ever try it? Could this be something that the designers had intended as additional adjustment, but it was inadvertently omitted from any final draft of the instructions??? Thanks again!
  7. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    If it will fit the other way and still provide a flat surface to clamp the thing in place, it shouldn't hurt...I've not tried it. Do you still have access? You wouldn't want to drop it or a screw or two after removing it, and then have to remove the shower surround to retrieve it!
  8. coop

    coop New Member

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    I do have access, but I haven't decided if I want to go to the effort to take it all back apart again. Exactly as HJ had mentioned above, it looks nothing like the picture on the box. I'm not pleased with it the way it is, so I'm waiting to see what the wife thinks about how it looks. (I already know that she'll say it's fine, but I'm leaning toward taking it back apart just the same...if I do I'll repost...just not happy with it.)
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    coop New Member

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    Flipped the plaster ground, and wow- it looks a million times better! I would definitely recommend this method of install. Now it looks right.
    Last edited: May 23, 2014
  10. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    coop - good news.

    Show us.
  11. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Now you can get on with your life and concentrate on important things.
  12. coop

    coop New Member

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    ...but what in life could be more important? lol

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  13. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    Thanks for sharing.

    Where is your blocking for your shower fixture?
  14. DougB

    DougB Member

    Here's what I don't understand, if the company cannot correctly document the installation, if they care that little, then maybe they don't care about the quality either?

    I'm remodeling my own master bath. I chose a Grohe with a 'rough-in' box. It's an oval plastic box with a brass 'base plate' (elec engineering terms) - this never has to come out of the wall. Further it's designed to be adjustable for depth. The actual mixing valve is attached to the rough-in base plate. A really neat design.

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  15. coop

    coop New Member

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    Johnfrwhipple, when you say "blocking" for my shower fixture are you asking about how the shower stall is framed out?

    DougB, thanks for sharing, that looks like a much better designed fixture in terms of adjustability.
  16. DougB

    DougB Member

    He means how is the shower valve supported? In your picture it looks like it's just clamped to the fiberglass surround.
  17. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    What Doug said. How is that rig held up?
  18. DougB

    DougB Member

    How is that rig held up?????

    My birthday was last Friday. After dinner, about 9:00 my wife (who was in the bedroom called out): Douglas, can you help me take something off..... when I got there, she said she was having trouble with her necklace. I was crushed!
  19. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple Bathroom Design & Build - North Vancouver, B.C.

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    LOL - Doug. I'll one up you. My buddy got it three times (ON MOTHER'S DAY !!!) What's up with that? I worked eight hours on a chore list and got Jack and Squat. Other than of course the joy of making my wife super happy on Mother's Day. Which was the point. Come on three times - in a day....

    Bastard
  20. coop

    coop New Member

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    Doug and john, yes i still have to add pex hangers to both the hot and cold lines that come into the valve. In moen's picture of a "suggested installation" for pex plumbing, they run the pex up the nearest wall studs and support it there, but I opted to do it a bit different. I plan to put the pex hangers right on the horizontal pex that goes into the valve.
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