mini storage tank for dedicated recirculation loop

Discussion in 'Tankless Water Heater Forum' started by yoyolandre, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. yoyolandre

    yoyolandre New Member

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    So, I already have a thankless water heater and since I'm in the middle of some heavy-duty remodeling of the house, we are thinking of installing a dedicated hot-water recirculation loop in order to get rid of the cold water sandwich and of the delay. my thinking, is that Navien has the right idea, at least in concept, and I want to emulate it in my home. problem is, I can't find a small buffer tank of say, 3-5 gallons, except for an expansion tank. I think it might do, but I'd like your opinion on the matter.

    here's the layout I was thinking of:

    tankless to expansion, to faucets, to Redytemp pump, to tankless.

    the reason for a 3-5 gallon storage tank is that we have 2 growing kids who can't brush their teeth while one of us takes a shower. to say nothing of running the dishwasher or a load of laundry. a buffer tank would allow the tankless enough time to "catch up" to the spot demands.

    what are your thoughts ?

    Thanks a lot, and happy new year!!!
  2. Dana

    Dana In the trades

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    Do not use an expansion tank as a recirculation buffer. A small "point of use" electric HW heater would do the trick.

    Running a recirculation loop lowers the as-operated efficiency of the system by quite bit though.
  3. yoyolandre

    yoyolandre New Member

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    forget efficiency...

    I get it would decrease the efficiency. it's a drawback I'm MORE than happy to hit if it increases the comfort level sufficiently ...

    I think as an alternative to a full-blown recirc loop, I would add the 4 Gal tank at the main outbound for and have it cycle through the recirc temp only on a schedule. something like this:

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    with the stated objective of reducing the cold water sandwich effect when we forget we have a load running in the laundry when my wife is trying to take a shower in the AM.

    we'd have the redytemp run from, say 6:30 to 7:30 morning and evening, for example, and keep the buffer tank nice and toasty during that short window and increase water comfort level.
  4. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    If you don't run the recirculation constantly OR power the POU tank, you think your cold water sandwich is bad now, just wait! The tank will cool off (some, it is insulated, though) through the day, and unless in the period when your recirculation is running, potentially be cool and you'd have to dump all of that before you'd get hot water.
  5. Surfing Plumber

    Surfing Plumber New Member

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    Navien uses the buffer tank as a marketing gimmick... The reason Navien needs a buffer tank because the machines can not bring the temperature up to par as fast as other brands, it will need to constantly recirculate within itself to provide hot water. It is not efficient at all when using with the recirculation system built in.. I have installed many Navien when it first intro in the US, I have not installed any after 15+ call backs from my customers...

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/comp...ny-does-not-stand-behind-product-c617997.html
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