Las Vegas Water Softener Selection

Discussion in 'Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and r' started by John Vegas, May 23, 2012.

  1. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    LOL, "is there a meter on that valve?" hehehehe, your true knowlwedge is showing again. Please click on the link below for details of how a 7000 is assembled and where the meter is. :)
  2. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Well I asked because in the link you have in your signature that says about rebuilding a SOFTENER but only shows rebuilding a 7000 STX, you show where to connect a meter cable "if your valve has a meter", and there is no cable or you didn't connect it. But then at the end of the video, I guess as an after thought, you show how to remove and replace a meter turbine with no mention of a cable.

    It's the same video that you used the special Fleck tool in while saying it isn't needed.

    And the same video where you prealigned a part but didn't show how. You also mentioned the difficulty in this or that but then insist the 7000 is easy to rebuild.

    You should remember that the people here that will use the video have never done it before and some have never done anything like rebuilding a control valve before. Or aren't those the people you are doing the video for?

    BTW, while I'm here, in 25 years I never saw a leaking o-ring that wasn't originally installed incorrectly, and that was very few and usually the leak was the cause of the valve needing repair, but you state to change every o-ring on the valve for "only a couple dollars" each.

    I think that is not necessary unless the o-ring was not installed correctly or shows damage, and replacing good o-rings simply increases cost with no owner benefit.

    And you never mention any caution of damaging an o-ring when taking it out or off or installing one. Or anything about any lubricant if needed or not and many DIYers will probably have a question about those things.

    I probably should make these true knowledge comments of mine in the comments section of the videos you are doing.

    Do you plan on doing a video of an actual rebuild of a softener?

    Oh yes, how about a rebuild of the Fleck 5800? And see if you can keep those short fat fingers out of the way.
  3. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Guys:

    If I wanted to add a few cups of resin to my existing softener, if I unscrew the valve, will it pull out the distributor tube? I know it is probably not necessary to add the resin and I probably won't worry about it after a few days, but more curious if the distributor tube usually pulls out when you disconnect the control valve.


    Also, I didn't lube up the washers on the quick connects, I forgot to do that. Do you think I should disconnect and put on some silicone lubricant? The 7000SXT valve came pre-lubricated (well at least it seemed to be), so I didn't add anything not did I add any lubricant to the top of the tank (some sites indicate you should use vegetable oil on the top of the tank).

    JS
  4. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Any idea why the last two pages of this thread were deleted?

    JS
  5. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Dittohead wanted me to delete some stuff, and while I was at it, I was looking at the name calling, "by several of the guys", it seemed better to go back to the beginning of the name calling and just delete it.

    It should be all about clean water. That's all!

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  6. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    Not a bad idea, but too bad about the good technical stuff that snuck in now and then. I think there might have been some :).
  7. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Sorry double post.
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  8. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Programming and regeneration.

    I changed my settings for a 4 lb/cf dose, and the 7000SXT seems to think there is like 1500+ gallons in reserve (the flashing number with the time on the home screen). I reset the regen time to midnight so I can be awake to see if it regenerates. Should it be regenerating automatically when I changed the "C" and "H" and "BF" settings at the next regen time that is programmed or do you have to regenerate manually?

    Oh, after re-reading your post, I see that you meant for me to click the regen button MANUALLY to start a regen. Got it!
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  9. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Does anyone know a good place to buy Fleck o-rings? For some reason, the DLFC o-ring got distorted (I think when it turned due to the twisting effect of the drain tube), resulting in a fairly significant leak during last nights regeneration. I freaked out when there was water on the garage floor this morning, so I ran through the cycles and it was spraying some water out of the DLFC connection). This is part 13303-01. Can I just use a "standard" o-ring of that size that they sell at a big box store, although it might be made of a different material than the "560CD" stuff. I assume the -021 mean a 15/16 ID, 1-1/16 OD and a 1/16" width (I looked this up on some o-ring manufacturer's charts for the -021 size). This is what I was thinking, which seems to be consistent with a -021 size. Think this should work if I lubricate it with some silicone grease? Thanks, JS


    http://www.lowes.com/pd_174791-7290...o-ring&pl=1&currentURL=?Ntt=o-ring&facetInfo=
  10. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Ok, got the o-ring fixed and all is well...but.

    I came home the other day and there was water under the resin tank. I noticed that water was very slowly dripping from the bottom of the back of the plastic housing. I took off the housing, and it appears that there is condensation forming on either the plastic housing or some of the parts inside the plastic housing, creating a bit of water that is dripping down. Luckily, the electronics didn't burn out. It has been quite cold here in Las Vegas (lows in the high 20s at night), and the unit is in the garage. Anyone have or hear about this problem? I have kept the plastic housing cover off, and no dripping or other water has been observed.

    Thanks, JS
  11. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    Yet another issue.

    I have the RC set to 90 gallons with day override off. Last night I got home at about 1 AM and I noted there were 26 gallons left. I showered, and there were 7 gallons left at 1:50 AM. The previous night, the remaining capacity was 92 gallons at 2 AM (I got home about 3 AM and noted the remaining capacity). I assume the softener should have regenerated last night at 2 AM, but it did, and I checked it this AM, it was still at 7 gallons reserve capacity.

    I ran a manual regen, but any idea why it didn't regen?

    JS
  12. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    Send me an email with all of your settings. I can walk you through them easily. Let me know what you are trying to accomplish, the size of the system, and I will send you a programming guide set up for your exact application.
  13. John Vegas

    John Vegas New Member

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    I think I figured it out.

    The softener keeps the 90 gallons in reserve, it is NOT included in the amount shown on the 7000 display. I believe the number on the unit has to exhaust to 0, then you are in the "reserve zone." Then, it would regen on the next night. Since I had not exhausted the unit to zero, it naturally didn't regen because there was still the amount in reserve.

    Does that sound right?

    JS


  14. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    I breezed through what you wrote w/out thinking about it. I should have read it more carfeully. I see a lot of people who spend too much time trying to figure out every part of the programming and what it means instead of just enjoying the soft water. Your analysis is correct. The reserve should be set to 1 days water usage. We usually use the safety factor as our generic setting, rarely does a customer have a problem or question when we use this.

    Excellent job on your system, now go enjoy it.
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