Kohler K-3564 Saile, Koher Strela vs Toto Aquia

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by jhleung, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. jhleung

    jhleung New Member

    Nov 19, 2008

    I'm familiar with the Toto Aquia I (800 MaP and harder install) and the Aquia II (500 MaP and easier install) ....

    Does anyone know how the Kohler Saile Toilet Stacks up? Its a one piece design versus the Toto two-piece design so it looks a little more sleek. Its also rated by the SFPUC as 500 MaP and its also a dual-flush design.

    Kohler K-3564 Saile




    Strict 12" rough-in (1/8" wall gap)

    List price*: $667.45 and up
    28-1/2" L x 14-1/4" W x 28-3/4" H
    Dual Flush flushing technology
    0.8 or 1.6 gallon water consumption options
    Compact elongated bowl

    As a Reference, here's what a Toto Aquia II looks like:
    I'm trying to decide do I get:

    4 Aquia I, 800 grams
    4 Aquia II, 500 grams
    4 Kohler Saile, 500 grams

    2 Totos and 2 Kohlers .... ?

    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 5, 2011
  2. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    Bothell, Washington
    On the Kohler, make sure you have at least 12" on your roughin, and that you can cut your floor molding where the bowl fits against the wall.

    On the Aquia, you have a bit a space behind the tank, and you don't have to cut away the floor mold.
    Last edited: May 21, 2010
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  4. Flushwell

    Flushwell New Member

    Dec 8, 2008
    Kohler Saile experiences

    Has anyone had any experience with the dual flush Kohler Saile K-3564? It is the best looking dual flush toilet I have found (although some folks thought that it might be too modern).

    However, I do not want to discover that is is woefully inadequate at its basic duties, like the original Cimarron Class Five toilets with their poor wash down.

    I have plenty of room behind the toilet, so the major issue is the performance.

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  5. theplumber

    theplumber Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    Kohler = pain in the ass getting parts period. They have this habit of redesigning the wheel for every thing they make. Then you go to get parts and they tell you, oh that part is discontinued, the new part # is.. oh and that # is also discontinued, the new part # is... oh and that # is discon.....

    %$&* Kohler with a metal rake. The only Kohler products I'll buy is their cast iron tubs, sinks, and china sinks.
  6. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

    Dec 15, 2007
    Service Plumber
    Their engineers are retarded!
    Pull a toilet to change a fill valve?
    Cool! I'll just add resetting a toilet to the bill!:D
  7. BikeGirl

    BikeGirl New Member

    Sep 30, 2009
    Portland OR USA
    Help me choose between Toto or Kohler dual flush toilets

    I am about to purchase a new toilet and am down to:

    Toto CST416M - Aquia II Dual Flush Toilet


    Kohler Saile™ Dual Flush technology - K-3564

    I will be installing this toilet myself (I am not a plumber). I have many of the read reviews on this site and others. I feel that either model would work well. However, I would like to know from those of you who have experience with both of these (the closest I can get to a side by side comparison.

    Thanks for your help!
    Bike Girl
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2009
  8. Cass

    Cass Plumber

    Nov 12, 2005
    What is the MAP rating on the 2 toilets...
  9. Peanut9199

    Peanut9199 Customer Service Manager Plumbing Wholesale

    Apr 23, 2007
    Customer Service Manager Plumbing Wholesale
    Ontario, Canada
    CST416M- Map test 500g

    K3564- Map test 500g

    No help there

    At the selling level i have been selling toilets for over 25 years.
    I've sold American Standard, Crane, Mansfield, Gerber, Briggs, Kohler and now Toto and i can tell you that Toto have been the best for not having defects and easy to get parts for.

    My biggest problem iv'e had in all my years are parts for Kohler it seems that every toilet has different parts and they change and discontinue parts yearly.

    That is why seven years ago we dropped Kohler and brought in Toto.
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2009
  10. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

    Sep 1, 2004
    Yakima WA
    Kohler is living on past reputation. Get the Toto.
  11. BikeGirl

    BikeGirl New Member

    Sep 30, 2009
    Portland OR USA
    Thanks Cass and Peanut, this is helpful.

    Toto seems to be more widely available. Your feed back is helping me decide towards Toto, especially if Kohler parts are harder to get.

  12. BikeGirl

    BikeGirl New Member

    Sep 30, 2009
    Portland OR USA
    Thanks Gary!

    I will definitely go with the Toto.

    Thanks Terry, this site is a gold mine!

    Since starting this process I have become aware that it usually takes 2 flushes of my wall mounted pressure assisted Eljer to get everything down. My next project will be to either adjust it, if that is possible, or replace it.
  13. Herrada

    Herrada New Member

    May 13, 2010
    New Mexico
    Kohler Saile and Strela toilets?

    Anyone know if the Kohler dual flush Saile (one-peice) and Strela (2 peice) toilets are any good? The look good, are really compact (Saile tank is like only 11" wide) and are dual flush but are they any good? How do they compare to the Toto's in performance (i.e., moving waste and bowl cleaning, etc.)? Are they at least close? The compact (particularly in width) design of these toilets are particularly attractive as I have a very small 2nd bath and every inch matters. Does anyone have any experience with them? Thanks.
    Last edited: May 21, 2010
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