I really dislike American values.

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  1. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Yes.

    The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
    To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
  2. you need to watch cosmos


    you need to watch cosmos by Carl Sagan sometime if you have not already seen it...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7n71pm0K04


    trust me IAN, we are not alone....

    the problem with humanity is the need to dominate one another and keep each other in
    the darkness with only a select few knowing much of what is going on ,

    and all of this simply for the need to make a profit...

    the need to keep one 90% of humanity in debt to the other 10%, literally like parasites feeding on the misery and starvatin of the others...instead of helping the planet rise out of this endless cycle of wars, greed and poverty.....

    of course what would this new world look like anyway?? Good question what utopia would be .....




    if we can stay slaves to oil, the better for the oil industry....they will buy up all new technologies that ever come on the market and then KILL THEM.. so they can stay in power over everyone...

    I wont even speak about what medicle advances that have probably been canned just to keep that industry going too...


    heres a good example for you
    the IMF and Fed reserve prints money out of thin air and then loans it to Africa and
    now that Africa cannot even pay the interest back on the money they owe to someone who makes the rules and makes play money... they simply let the poor bastards starve ....

    they could as easily just forgive the debt, but that is not in anyones best interests....


    I am beginning to think that the only way things
    will ever change for the good is with the landings of beings from another world....


    but no one wants to believe that their are such
    things out there...so we got to keep the status quo going....

    I wonder who put that thought in all our minds???



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  3. Cookie

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    Et ? ;)
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  4. wait and see.....

    we wait and we see....

    Somenone smarter than us in the universe
    is not really that much of a leap of faith... dont you think?
    Considering the idiots presently in charge of running things?


    Cookie... did you like the pretty lights over Norway last week???.

    oh yea, I forgot,
    that was a russian test missle that went out of control... ok.... :D:D


    nevermind......
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  5. Ian Gills

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    Unproven at the moment. But this is why the quest to find bacteria on Mars or the moon is so important.

    If they find even the smallest hint of life on our nearest neighbors, then that means it is everywhere.

    And that would almost certainly mean other intelligent life exists (outside of Europe anyway - I have yet to find any in America). ;)
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    Well, well, we finally agreed on something, lol. It took awhile. Years ago, I was assigned to interview Betty Hill for a newspaper. At first I remained neutral which I had to be while writing the piece. Betty and I became friends and remained friends up until, the time of her death. I grew to love her and believe her. I have tapes of my interviews with her and from time to time I play them for people.

    She had a contagious laugh and a personality I can't describe. My kids, especially my youngest loved her. Oh I could tell you stories you would love to hear.

    My youngest had a science project in the 6 th grade and he had to bring in something. We brought in BETTY. LOL. He got an A+. Mom got a huge hug.

    She had so many theories on jet propulsion gained in an unusual way. She always wanted to take me to what she called her "strip" the "field", I would ask jokingly what she wanted to do with me on the strip or field and we would laugh. It was a strip where UFO's would slow down and come close flashing their lights. Now, she said she had taken a male reporter once there telling him "you have to stay in the car" well, he got so excited he got out and the beings got angry flying off. I regret never visiting her vistors. But the thought of having possible experiments done on me scared me off.

    I believe things happen for a reason, we meet the people we do for a reason, we are given the kids we are given for a reason, and I believe I met Betty for a reason.

    I was diagnosed with Non Hodgkins Lymphoma and not far later her dear niece was diagnosed with the same. I was happy to help Betty or to comfort her or her niece. She was very close to this niece. I offered her mine but after hearing she is a felon she turned down the offer. ;)

    No, I didn't see the lights anywhere except at work or that idiot light that keeps popping up on my dashboard the one I always ignore I know it doesn't mean much.
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  7. Cass

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    We are headed for a One World Government and they need something to bring all the governments together...enter Global Warming...Reguardless of our carbon out put there is no provable science showing the warming cycle is man made and not just a normal cycle...common sense is not science...is not provable and there is no way to prove that if we stopped all burning of fossil fuel today that anything would change...You would have to be God to know the correct answer to those questions...
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    It might be just a natural thing, might be happening if cars ran on pepsi and no one farted. ;) It might just be what it is. This might not be cause & effect. God is a woman.
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    Ian...humur me and tell me how global warming can be fixed and how much it will cost....how long it will take...and how we will know if what we did did anything...
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    The economists can work all that out Cass.

    And I am an economist, but I just don't have the time to do it at the moment.

    We know CO2 causes global warming and we know emissions have gone up.

    Warming caused by these will have economic and human costs and reducing CO2 emissions will also have costs.

    So we need to balance the marginal benefits (less economic and human costs) of dealing with climate change with the marginal costs of doing something about it (reducing emissions). Note that this does not mean ZERO emissions. That would be catastrophic. But it does not mean business as usual either. An optimal balance must be found.

    One way to deal with it would be to introduce taxes (poor Conservative "victims") to include the cost of emmissions and the damage they do in the price we pay for our goods and services, especially gas.

    Which would lead to less consumption of goods that are bad for the environment but also lead to the development of new technologies and jobs to get round paying these taxes associated with climate change.

    The problems only come if we do not adequately capture the distortions correctly e.g. taxing cut flowers from Kenya because they came by plane but ignoring the fact that US cut flowers use more carbon-intensive farming techniques (e.g. fertilisers) would be one such problem, because we might end up buying US flowers which are more damaging to the environment than Kenyan ones. There might also be distributional impacts if poor people disproportionately produce or consume high CO2 products, but any civil country could provide social safety nets to compensate adversely affected groups.

    It's really no different to a Christian State taxing the sale of alcohol and tobacco. Things that have hidden costs (even morally if you believe there is a God) have to be regulated.

    Which reminds me. We need to get rid of America's pesky State Governments. Washington rule for all! DC is the best. I should know because I live here and the Feds are a great bunch of guys.

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    Sorry but taxing things will not change anything as far as GW goes....it will just make people poorer...and gives the elite more power over them (the poor) and makes the bankers and elite who own the company's that will handle the $$$ transfers more rich...Al Gore stands to get 100s of Millions of $$$ because of the company he owns if cap and trade goes through...it also makes it harder for them (the poor)to get ahead...

    There is no way of even knowing if doing anything will help...

    It is not monetarily feasible at this time with our current technology...

    Check the cost of electricity generated by wind mills, solar pannels, etc. when taking their cost and up keep divided by the amount of electricity generated...and they can't just go any where...now if your talking Nuclear Energy I am all for it...
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    NO...You just are convinced it is because enough people said so...with no scientific proof...that it is not just normal climate change...


    Common Sense...It's not Science....and not provable...
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    Do you like my reindeer dog? He is very scientific. He thinks he is a buck.
  14. Ian Gills

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    Of course I am for nuclear energy and electric cars and everything. It's the best way. No emissions and adequate generating capacity.

    I'm sorry but it is clearly Amercians and their cars and both the Americans and Chinese and their coal power stations. CO2 has been shown conclusively to raise global temperatures and we are pumping more of it into the atmosphere than ever.

    Conservative "victims" who don't want to pay taxes and "big oil companies" and their political supporters are just trying to cover up the facts.
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    ...and the dog? ;)
    would you rather see my cat dressed up as an elf? " I get no respect."
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    I think they are very much in the spirit of the season Cookie.

    Neither look especially happy with their attire though. The dog is down-right embarassed!
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    Show me the Scientific facts, that are covered up, that prove it is from them...if it is as factual as you say it is it can't be that hard show me...

    Maybe you should stop breathing...you are contributing greatly to it...;)
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    That is a good thing then that he aint my dog! lol. I found him on the net and loved the picture. :)
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    frenchie Jack of all trades

    Breathing, like wood burning, is carbon-neutral.
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    The Earth was formed about 4,540,000,000 years ago.

    In the beginning, the Earth's atmosphere contained very little oxygen (less than 1% oxygen pressure).

    Early plants started to develop more than 2 billion years ago, probably about 2,700,000,000.

    Through photosynthesis, plants uptake carbon dioxide into the biosphere as organic matter, and release oxygen as a byproduct.

    Through geologic time, oxygen accumulated gradually in the atmosphere, reaching a value of about 21% of atmospheric gases at the present time.

    Through geologic time, surplus organic matter has been sequestered in the lithosphere as fossil organic materials (coal, petroleum, and natural gas).

    Early animals (the first organisms with external shells) started to develop around 600,000,000 years ago.

    Animals operate in the opposite way than plants: they take up oxygen, burn organic matter (food), and release carbon dioxide as a byproduct.

    Early humans (Australopithecus anamensis) began to develop about 4,100,000 years ago.

    Cool climatic conditions have prevailed during the past 1,000,000 years. The species Homo sapiens evolved under these climatic conditions.

    Homo sapiens dates back to more than 400,000 years.

    Estimates for the variety Homo sapiens sapiens, to which all humans belong, range from 130,000 to 195,000 years old.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was as low as 190 ppm during the last Ice Age, about 21,000 years ago.

    The last Ice Age began to recede about 20,000 years ago.

    The agricultural revolution, where humans converted forests and rangelands into farms, began to develop about 10,000 years ago.

    The agricultural revolution caused a reduction in standing biomass in the biosphere and reduced the uptake of carbon dioxide in midlatitudinal regions, indirectly contributing, however so slightly, to global warming.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increased gradually from a low of 190 ppm 21,000 year ago, to about 290 ppm in the year 1900, i.e., at an average rate of 0.00478 ppm per year.

    The industrial revolution, where humans developed machines (artificial animals, since they consume fuels, which are mostly organic matter), began in England about 240 years ago (1767).


    In October 1999, the world's population reached 6,000,000,000, which is double that of the year 1959 (the doubling occurred in 40 years).


    The world's population is currently increasing at the rate of about 80,000,000 per year (about 1.2 %).

    The current world population is 6,781,000,000 (September 1, 2009).

    The global fleet of motor vehicles is estimated at 830,000,000 (2006).


    The global fleet of motor vehicles has been recently growing at the rate of 16,000,000 per year.

    Motor vehicles (cars, trucks, buses, and scooters) account for 80% of all transport-related energy use.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which was at 290 ppm in the year 1900, rose to 316 ppm in 1959, or at an average 0.44 ppm per year.

    Measurements of the concentration of carbon dioxide since 1959 (316 ppm) have revealed an increase to 387 ppm in 2009, or at an average 1.42 ppm per year.


    The concentration of carbon dioxide has increased an average of about 1.8 ppm per year over the past two decades.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide increased 2.87 ppm in 1997-98, more than in any other year of record.

    The year 1998 was the warmest of record. The year 2002 was the second warmest (to that date). The year 2003 was the third warmest (to that date). The year 2004 was the fourth warmest (to that date). The year 2005 equaled 1998 as the warmest of record. The year 2007 equaled 1998 as the second warmest of record. The ten warmest years have occurred in the twelve-year period 1997-2008.

    About 75% of the annual increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels.

    The remaining 25% is attributed to anthropogenic changes in land use, which have the effect of reducing the net uptake of carbon dioxide.

    Anthropogenic changes in land use occur when forests are converted to rangelands, rangelands to agriculture, and agriculture to urban areas.

    Other patterns of land degradation--deforestation, overgrazing, overcultivation, desertification, and salinization--reduce the net uptake of carbon dioxide, indirectly contributing, however slightly, to global warming.
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