Kinetico uses fine mesh resin only in packed bed models. So standard/regular mesh resin was being referred to. Those efficiency ratings used standard resins. Does that help?
The 2060 use 0.7 ft3 and the 2100 uses 1.5 ft3 of resin. I guess I didn't mention my point was an apples-to-apples comparison to level the playing field. Still the grains-per-pound of salt difference was significant.
Absolutely it helps. Thank you. It actually says that we are using the same brand of resin. And if that is the case, then that means that a Kinetico softener and one of mine in the same house on the same water and set up with the same salt dose gets the same grains per lb salt efficiency.
And if I were to measure the gpm of the drain line from yours, and if I used the same DLFC gpm and adjusted my control cycle positions to the same length of minutes run time, my softener would use the same amount of water per regeneration. So we'd have identical water use efficiency too. Especially since both softeners would have the same volume of the same resin in them.
I've been trying to tell you that for like 3 years!
Now I suppose you'll tell me I'm somehow wrong but... find out what resin manufacturer Kinetico uses and go find the manufacturer's spec sheet on that resin and show me where they say I'm wrong. Seriously, please do that.
Gary writes:
"And therein lies our problem. Frankly IMO you don't respect much of anything I say."
I'm sorry, where was the disrespect, Gary? I simply wondered where you got your info on valve capacities and functions, but I accepted it anyway. When it comes to respecting others, maybe a little introspection wouldn't hurt.
It has accumulated over the last 3 years. You accepted my figures because they were higher than Kinetico's but... you don't really believe me. Yes my figures were higher but, do they mean much to someone comparing buying a Kinetcio for $2000-4500 and my softener for <$1000? No they don't. You guys should give a lifetime warranty on the whole unit for what you charge people for it! Especially since the only difference is the non electric blow molded plastic Kinetico control valve! All the other components are the same I and most other dealers use/sell; for a lot less money.
I can tell you I sell at least one softener a week, and it's usually 2-3, that the prospective customer says they had Kinetico out BUT MY GOD! for that price! and the salesmen didn't know a thing about my questions about who makes your resin? Tanks? And the negative things about all other types of softeners!! WOW. So I did some research and found you Gary...
I gave you certified information from two third-party, independent testing organizations (NSF, WQA) and simply can't find those details on Fleck (or Clack) valves from those or any other non-bias sources. Naturally, if I said these results were from Kinetico HQs, then even I might consider them tweaked to look positive. Right?
You are playing with me now right? You can't not know that Autotrol, Clack, Erie and Fleck don't make softeners... You know they make control valves. See to me, that is disrespectful when we are supposed to be having an honest comparison. You've fallen back into your sales hype stuff.
The 2060 use 0.7 ft3 and the 2100 uses 1.5 ft3 of resin.
What is the constant service flow rating of .7 and 1.5 cuft of that standard/regular mesh resin?
We have charts that are used to determine optimum settings. Iron concentration can alter salt dosage to be more effective.
All the resin manufacturers have charts too, they are called spec sheets. And they probably use conservative figures but if I was willing to set the salt dose as low as you guys, I'd get the same capacity and salt efficiency from the same brand and volume of the same resin.... You don't believe that.
That's the bottom line to the people that buy from me.
You and others call me unprofessional because I demystify this stuff and tell people these things about other brands and how to fix their softeners rather than being dependent on a local dealer. I don't turn a blind eye and keep my mouth shut. I've been this way all my life since Cub Scouts in the mid 1950s and I'm quite proud of it. I don't take advantage of peoples' ignorance, I teach them how to help themselves when they need water treatment equipment or need to fix it.
Question Andy, why do you post on forums?
Gary writes: "I define "professional" as you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours and we'll both go along to get along."....
Another question Andy, in simple terms no flowery speech as you're prone to, what is your definition of "professional"; limit it to you and I, softener salesmen?