I Don't Understand Why The Brits Think the "Crown Jewels" are such a BIG DEAL

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  1. Redwood

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    While Britain has a public holiday to celebrate Prince William's wedding, one company is taking the party one step further with souvenir condoms that urge lovers to "lie back and think of England."

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  2. Cookie

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    I got to admit Red, I think, it is funny. The Crown Jewels, lol.
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    I hope they sell them here, I want one as a joke for someone.
  4. Ian Gills

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    Freedom of speech is a great thing.

    We invented it, and you copied it.

    The result....funny condoms and people burning flags.

    But it's worth it.
  5. Redwood

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    Hmmm As I recall history people came here to get it....

    Hardly a British Invention....
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    The company which created the condoms was in your own country. I don't see how you can compare the creation of the condoms made by a UK company to that of someone burning an American Flag... do you care to elaborate or explain? OR, are you talking about those burning YOUR flag of your country?

    Either way, is burning a flag a hilarious thing to you? AND, by the way, Ian, if you think your country invented, Freedom of Speech, not so, study your history. Your history is one of violence with the Kings.


    http://www.news.com.au/world/crown-...belled-tasteless/story-e6frfkyi-1225996669747

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  7. Ian Gills

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    First, most of your freedoms (all except the dumb gun one) came from the Magna Carta, an English document dating from the 13th century. Your country did not even exist then. And the space it took up was soon to be ours.

    Secondly, the burning of any country's flag in that country, if allowed by law, is a celebration of freedom of speech.

    The mere fact that nobody can be punished for burning an American flag in the US or an English flag in England is something that should be very much welcomed.

    Remember that the next time you see someone doing that. Don't shout at them. Pat them on the back and thank them for reminding you of your freedoms.

    Burn the American flag and be thankful that you are allowed to.

    And print images of His and Her Majesties and Royal Highnesses on a packet of condoms. And again be thankful that you are allowed to.

    The very principles your country stands for seem to be some of the things that offend you the most.

    Like freedom. And yet I cannot buy whisky on a Sunday morning from a gas station on the way to the church or even leave the bottle unopened in the passenger seat for the rest of the drive.
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  8. ballvalve

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    I think your highnesses are owed royalties on their "royal" image.

    UN-opened containers of booze are allowed most everywhere I ever heard of. Not too bright to advertise however.

    Roll it up in an American flag, the cops might not give you a ticket for whatever he stopped you for.

    You cannot buy whisky in that rat hole of a city, although NOW you can buy handguns again. Gives you some idea of the sort that live on the other side of your tracks.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/26/supremecourt/main4211588.shtml

    This story about DC gun laws pretty much settles any issues of Americans rights to own weapons.

    And on the other EXTREME the Brits in their wisdom, do not allow the pistol shooting teams to shoot in the UK. They travel to Switzerland to pop their guns off!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

    Take note that your Magna Carta included -"codified"- the right of the armed citizenry and dukedoms to rise up against an unjust government. Harder to do without weapons. Later, despot leaders, diluted that right to zero.
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  9. jimbo

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    Remember that you are free to burn a flag and someone else is free to smack you upside the head if you do!~
  10. Cookie

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    The Kings, ah yes... they were pretty tough times for England & the Queens who lived. They had so much to say while they were trying to collect theirselves.

    So far as burning the flag, I bet you never fought in a war?
    The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag:

    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    This should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."

    This is what my dad and I did. He fought for that flag and it is not only disrespectful to those who died for it, but, UNAMERICAN. So who burns your flag in your country?

    So, still how do you compare those who died for their country to a picture of your prince and his sweetheart on a rubber packet?

    Still, how can you relate rubbers to burning a flag? Not one word you said answered it, Ian.

    Maybe, you guys could burn the rubbers. :)

    INFACT, you should be glad they are making them, for it is increasing taxes which you so much love to pay.
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  11. pipehacker

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    Ian, as I see it America took the concept of freedom, which had stagnated in Britain, and brought it to a higher level. For example, compare American freedom of the press/libel standards with Britain's. And don't you agree that there can be no freedom without freedom from excessive taxation ?
  12. Ian Gills

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    On flags, I don't burn 'em. Too disrespectful. But I respect the rights of those that choose to.

    On taxes, the rich get off too easy here. And the reason they get off easy is that you are all brainwashed into thinking that you too will be rich someday and so you don't want to face higher taxes when you get there. Who puts that silly message into your head? I'm still trying to work that out.

    But I'm here to bring you all back down to earth. And to suggest that the rich should pay more. Else the poor will rob them.

    Which brings us back to gun control.

    Back to the flag, again, it shocks me the amount of Americans that fly it high, big and proud....

    ...but who forget to take it in when it rains, or light it at night...

    And these same people would go mad with a little bit of flag burning. Yet they don't pay enough respect to their own.
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  13. Cookie

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    Uncle Sam wants you! You need to experience things on its own level to understand. Join the military, it will make a man out of you, or in my case, a woman. Go buy a gun and go target shooting, or shoot game and take it home, and cook it.

    Go to the VA, talk to the men and some women, not many, who fought in the big one, like my dad. Talk to them, ask them what it was like and ask them what they think of burning the flag that meant home to them. Ask to see their wounds.

    Ask the younger generation, even younger than me, who like my neighbor, lost his eyesight and his hands to due a mine. Better yet, ask his parents what they think.

    Have you been to places where our military had fought at, or is at the moment? If you haven't then before you make decisions that we are a country of lazy people who don't care, join up, strap the helmet to your head and put that gun in your hand, see what you would do, when someone, the enemy is shooting at you. You going to sacrifice your life? And, allow yourself to be shot.

    Do a number crunch. Crunch those numbers you fling out compared to... the amount of people in our great nation. Then, crunch the numbers of other countries, smaller in size who walk about carrying rifles and shoot cilivilans and missionaries, and kids, and anything that moves. Or screams.

    Ian, you mean well, maybe. But, unless, you are in certain positions you are in no position to judge.

    Become a citizen, join up, join the military. Socialism will be the ruination of our country, it would not, and will not, better it.

    And, this is what you are leaning toward in some of your statements. My dad and I fought for our country and while it is not perfect, it is the best you will find.
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  14. Ian Gills

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    My father-in-law had an entire career in the navy. So I am well aware of the sacrifice many of our men and women (and substantially fewer of yours) made for our freedom.

    That freedom, includes the right to burn the flag even if most of us find that very distasteful.

    And the only war ever fought again socialism was that still fought today in the United States.

    The war against Communism is what the rest of us remember.

    The two are very different. But most Americans can't distinguish the two. Which is a shame.

    They are still scared rotten of the Russians. Who taught you this stuff? Was it your parents?

    Under socialism, a poor boy goes to school, gets healthcare and a handout if he loses his job.

    Under communism we all get the same wage.

    Don't mix the two up. Market socialism is actually very good. Despite what your parents said.
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    You are very confused Ian.
  16. Ian Gills

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    How is wanting a little bit of Government help for education, healthcare and social safety nets confused?

    This is not the same thing as fixing everyone's wage, dividing everything up equal and all the other problems associated with Communist Russia.

    Yet all you guys see is RED!

    There is a middle way. And it is sweet America. Sweet.

    So it is you that is confused Cookie. And all those that follow you.
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    Why do you attack us? When we freely allow you in our country to work and to live, and to share our culture and our society. Yet, all we hear are complaints. That is being a bad guest while we are being a good host.

    You remind me of a parent who corrects a child, then, hands him a cookie. You correct our way of life, our beliefs, then, you say, how much you like us.

    Keep your cookie. :)

    We do not want more taxes, excessive taxes, we do not want more govn control, we do not want socialism; we are quite content, and given the size of our great nation, given the problems world-wide, we are doing pretty well. And, as time grows on, so will we, in our way. Not yours. No growth is to decay. And, we always grow...


    To note: You must realize that you have a better chance of selling snowballs to Eskimos than me to Socialism.
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  18. pipehacker

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    Ian, I would be interested in knowing your definition of "rich." Also, America is a very generous country, but in my opinion we try to distinguish between deserving and undeserving. If you are attempting to work and improve yourself you will have help. If you are able-bodied and are not trying to advance yourself you will have much less sympathy and help. I do agree with you on the healthcare issue and favor expanded enrollment in a governmental plan which appears to me to be the only way to have enough clout to ratchet down out of control medical costs. Do we in America have the delusion of becoming "rich?" It depends what you mean by "rich." In my opinion no country in the world is a better place in which to acquire a home, raise a family, and establish basic financial security. But you need to be willing to work as it will not be handed to you. Nor should it be. Perhaps your decision to come and work and live in America is the best proof of that.
  19. ballvalve

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    Ian, looks like the USA lost a few more soldiers than the brits. And I believe you lost only .6% of the population. We lost .32% of total population.

    Poland lost 16%, and I think it was 30% for Yugoslavia. Whats most odd is the small losses from Germany.

    have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

    As to your love of Japanese auto's, they beat the Germans with 20 MILLION victims dead of war crimes.

    Pay back Detroit for not slaughtering the helpless.
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  20. Ian Gills

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    Rich should be defined as anyone earning over US$250,000 per year.

    And those earning over US$1 million should be targeted for extra taxes.

    I agree....mostly. The problem with America is that it's not enough to be wanting to work. You need to have been privileged enough to be born into a family with means to have any chance.

    Poor kids from poor families cannot acquire a good education so the cycle of povery continues. Taxpayer support to poor, bright kids should be available to put them through the system and even send them to Harvard. This would level the playing field and make this society great again.

    It is all about equal opportunities and America is not there yet.

    Most of what is done for the poor here depends on churches and charities and that is simply not enough. Why does a poor kid have to believe in God to get a scholarship to go to a good school? Or join the military?

    Church should get out of the business of Government and it is your duty as taxpayers to ensure it does.

    The Catholic church is the second largest provider or healthcare in this country. Looks fine on paper. Until you try to get an abortion.

    Taxes should pick up the slack. And instead of providing the care the churches should pay taxes to the Government to provide it for them!

    And Ballvalve. Your guys arrived way way late in the war. Less than 400,000 lost their lives (50 million died in Europe). And it was not an act of generosity on your part. Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the war in Europe. You simply wanted to protect your freedom from the Japanese. Not ours from the Germans. It was the alliance between these that pulled you into our arena.

    All we got from you was a couple of lousy ships that we paid too much for.

    Thanks.
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