I do not understand volunteer firefighters in America

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  1. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    This is a big one and annoys the crap out of me.

    Why aren't all firefighters in America salaried professionals like everywhere else in the world?

    The amount of times I drive down a street and see people with buckets fund-raising for these guys. It makes me sick.

    Step up taxpayers!

    What am I missing here?
  2. Cookie

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    They aint buckets they are boots! :)
  3. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Sorry...boots...
  4. Scuba_Dave

    Scuba_Dave Extreme DIY Homeowner

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    I dunno...maybe ya need to grow up here to understand ;)
    Some areas do not need FT firefighters sitting around on their duffs most of the time
    But I would think even volunteers should get paid for when they work
  5. Cass

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    Ian, what part of volunteer don't you understand... actually, you couldn't understand unless you were a firefighter their is an adrenlin rush that pumps through firefighters blood on their way to a fire, and most of them live that way for the first 10 to 15 years. If you don't believe me, find a firefighter and ask him.
  6. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    What I don't understand is if there are no volunteers near me, possibly because the station was shut down because nobody is putting money in the boots or because everyone is too tired from doing their day jobs to volunteer, then who comes to put out the fire in my house that then spreads to your house?

    Or am I expected to do that myself with the garden hose because you're all afraid of paying a little more in taxes to have a proper fire service?

    I think volunteers are great but there's a time and place for them. Like running the cub scout pack. A fire service, like the police and army, needs paid up pros.

    Perhaps I can just grab a gun and be a 'volunteer' police officer at the weekend. Heck, I'll be a paramedic for the day too.

    Wouldn't want anyone paying taxes for those would we?
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  7. Cass

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    Ian, they closed the station because they saw you didn't put any money in the boot, because you didn't do that they said, we are not going to protect your house. ;)

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  8. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    That's bad and downright trickery. I'd best put some money in those boots then.
  9. Cookie

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    They also collect money in those boots for burn victims and Muscular Dystrophy, and other organizations, plus, to keep the station working, better trucks, coffee. :)
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  10. Cookie

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    Seriously, most of the times so many different stations show up, from different locations, it depends on how bad the fire is.

    I would keep that garden hose handy though, ;) they know you are from England & a troublemaker . You can check with the plumbers here, but you do know once, your pipes are shot that garden hose is too, lol. If you have a well, you could fill up the hose from there, ;)
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  11. Ian Gills

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    I might keep a bucket of water handy at all times.

    If people ask, I'll remind them that I live in America and cannot rely on a publicly-funded fire and rescue service.

    I'd keep a bucket of water in the car too, but if that was on fire and the police stopped me I wouldn't be allowed to get out.
  12. Cookie

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    You got a choice and both are bad. lol.
  13. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Do I stay or do I go?
  14. Cass

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    Ian...Next time you get pulled over in your car, jump out, tell the cop your house is on fire, throw a bucket of water at him, jump in the car and as your driving away throw a empty boot out the window and wave good bye at him with your gun...:D
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  15. Cass

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    The main reason you don't understand a lot about America is because you did not grow up in a free society...you grew up in a socialist one where the government must give you permission to do things and the government takes care of you to what ever degree they deem satisfactory...here Freedom is supposed to be #1....

    That is the crux of it...I heard that under the English health care system if you didn't qualify for something or if the wait was to long to get something done, and you paid out of your own pocket that you would be thrown out of the health care system...beautiful...just what I envision for us if the public option goes through here...
  16. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    You're as bad as he is - worse, even - only in reverse.

    Have you ever lived there? Ever even visited?

    "I have heard"... says it all, right there. At least he's actually reacting to things that he sees, instead of internet rumors.

    ...

    Englishmen can choose to pay out-of-pocket, or use private insurance, to supplement their NHS coverage. A 3-second google would have told you that:

    http://www.consumerrightsexpert.co.uk/PrivateHealthCare.html

    http://www.healthinsurance.co.uk/he...surance-and-National-Health-Service-FAQs.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/talking_to_your_doctor/gp_private.shtml

    http://www.monetos.co.uk/insurance/health-insurance/private/

    They can even get treated at an NHS hospital, with their private insurance covering it:

    http://www.privatehealthadvice.co.uk/private-health-nhs-hospitals.html
  17. FloridaOrange

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    All local fire fighters here are paid. The boot collections are for groups needing donations as Cookie said. My town has been building nice new fire houses, there's one up the road from me not even two years old, maybe I should take a pic.

    Typically Volunteer Fighters are for areas which can't afford a paid force and the population is smaller which means less fires. And, as mentioned, the guys do for the adrenaline rush and also because they like to volunteer for community service.
  18. jimbo

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    No offense, but you don't yet have the big picture about the US.

    Small town where I grew up, incorporated in 1635, undoubtedly by some of your disgruntled ancestors who left town!

    Since about the time fire was invented, fires were fought by local folks turning out with buckets. Since sometime dating back to the mid 19th century, they have had an officially organized volunteer FD. The equipment was paid for by donations, including some contribution from the town. My father was involved from 1946 until he retired in '72. During those years, the town always paid to purchase hoses, made some other contributions, including probably the land the station is on. Also, the town pays a modest hourly wage to firefighters when they do respond to fight a fire. Most of the operating budget was raised from contributions and fundraisers like bingo. In those early days, some of the equipment was left over from the army.

    Today, the town is still quite small, but has grown to about 5000 population. They actually employ 2 full time paid firefighters. The rest of the force is still volunteer. They have an armada of equipment which in a big city would require 100 full time people to man the companies. Who the hell is going to pay for that? So the volunteer concept makes it all work.


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    http://www.firegold.com/tub1.htm This shows the type of fire engined used from the mid 19th century to the early 20th. Couldn't find a pic. of Newbury's Protection One, but TO THIS DAY, these old pumpers are brough out annually at competitions to see which can still pump the farthest.
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  19. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Taxes men. TAXES!

    Raise 'em and have a paid professional pull you and your loved ones from the burning embers.

    We need the feds involved and quick. I didn't realise some poor Floridians and Californians can't afford a force. Where's my checkbook and who's got the address for the IRS?
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  20. Cookie

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    Send it to my address and I will take care of this for you. ;)
    LOL.
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